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EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by elric »

atmosx wrote: post #166

IMO this is half-measures. You wanna a strong EU? Merge the salaries and living standards from the north the south and west to east. Germans workers shouldn't blackmailed by auto-motive companies leaving for Poland unless they accept smaller salaries and vice-versa polish workers shouldn't emigrate to Germany to find a decent salary, pension, etc. Flat out these social differences and you'll have the social support y…

> It's very simple.

Is it? I doubt it. There isn't a large country on earth where the salaries don't differ across regions.

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Post by dariosalvi78 »

mono442 wrote: post #54
embedding-shape wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Decent compromise to what? The group who want to pollute the world because it's cheaper? Doesn't sound like a compromise many of us would want.

Countries outside European Union don't care about global warming anyway. It's a futile policy.

that is simply untrue. China, for as bad as it has historically been in terms of environment, it has invested waaaay more than anybody else in clean energy [1]. It's a game we are all in together and things are moving forward, albeit too slowly.

[1] https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/annual-invest...

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by pjc50 »

atmosx wrote: post #166

IMO this is half-measures. You wanna a strong EU? Merge the salaries and living standards from the north the south and west to east. Germans workers shouldn't blackmailed by auto-motive companies leaving for Poland unless they accept smaller salaries and vice-versa polish workers shouldn't emigrate to Germany to find a decent salary, pension, etc. Flat out these social differences and you'll have the social support y…

This is the least simple thing. Countries aren't even flattened out within themselves, in the EU or US.

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by embedding-shape »

Kim_Bruning wrote: post #169

Yes please! I tripped over this recently. It's a bigger deal than it might seem. You'd be surprised at some of the weird things that can happen in the current systems in the EU if you try to do business across borders. Like: your company suddenly automatically becoming deregistered, or you might get a sudden huge tax bill, or you might even inadvertently get charged with fraud. Hasn't happened so far knock on wood ,…

> A lot of the EU's promise is actually theoretical without a proper pan european legal entity.

Yeah, I feel a bit the same way.

Just to make it clear to random passerby's, this is exactly what the proposed EU-INC is for, to create this "pan european legal entity", in case it wasn't clear from the context. I initially asked myself "But that's exactly what it is..." so maybe others end up thinking the same :)

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Post by vaylian »

Gud wrote: post #163
techpression wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Swede the third one is terrifying, unifying the energy market has been catastrophic for us, both price and environment wise. The latest is added taxes due to choke points designed by EU from the first place..

As a Swede(working in the energy sector no less), Sweden has only themselves to blame for their catastrophic decisions, like killing a world leading nuclear industry. Don’t blame Germany for Swedens incredibly stupid decision to shut down functioning nuclear reactors prematurely.

Why was the German shutdown premature?

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by formerly_proven »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #150
carlosjobim wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Labour is much more expensive in the USA, and other taxes are very comparable. And the USA is the startup capital of the world.

Labor cost has many aspects. One big and key difference between the EU and the US is that due to socialist policies in the EU, it is much much harder to fire people when the business takes a downturn. And this is why companies are not that eager to hire as fast as needed because it is very hard for them to downsize. In the US, this provides the companies with the levers they need to maintain a functioning business in…

I don’t know about other countries but e.g. in germany the law all but forces you to fire higher performing people before lower performing folks, with additional protections for especially unproductive employees. And that’s for when your business is sufficiently struggling to justify layoffs under the law.

The US hire-and-fire approach is then the other extreme.

The optimal amount of worker protection is somewhere in-between.

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by seydor »

I would like to see the details on this. The EU has alredy jurisdictions that make it "too easy" to run a company and others that make it exceedingly difficult, and the two are in competition. It's one thing to start a company in cyprus, another to start in Germany.

TBH I doubt it's going to be possible with current status. Where will an EU-inc be based, Luxembourg? and how would that be different from any other Lux company.

But maybe we could at least have some business standards that will be enforced all over the EU. It says "Local taxes & employment" , which also means local laws, which means 27 laws for every little thing. I thought they were going to address that

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by causalscience »

neximo64 wrote: post #97

Can't work legally speaking. There has to be a single sponsoring member state. Just sadly how the EU is designed. The only way would be to copy it individually so it is the same in each member state which breaks the purpose of it.

If the EU is saying "we'll make it work", replying "can't work because that's how the EU is designed" doesn't seem like an intelligent response.

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Post by troupo »

petcat wrote: post #83

I always heard that the issue with startup investment in Europe was the general lack of capital investors willing to take Hail Mary risks on founders with a wild idea and maybe little experience. The market is far too risk-averse for a grassroots early-stage startup scene. How would this organization address that fundamental psychological block?

> The market is far too risk-averse for a grassroots early-stage startup scene.

Or, in reality: there's literally no expectation for companies to succeed or to turn in profit in the US, and hasn't been for over a decade.

US startups now exist to do one thing hoping for exactly one of two outcomes. Do: spend unlimited investor money. Hope: to be acquired by larger entities, or to engage in VC-subsidized predatory-pricing long enough to try and kill others doing the exact same thing, and become "too big to fail".

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