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EU chief says EU should abandon caution after Bessent calls Denmark 'irrelevant'

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Re: EU chief says EU should abandon caution after Bessent calls Denmark 'irrelevant'

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Post by hermanzegerman »

utilize1808 wrote: post #8
dybber wrote: post #6

Escalate to deescalate. Trump doesn’t understand that Greenland is a ~country~ self-gorverning territory in itself in the Kingdom of Denmark. Just like Australia is country in itself in the Commonwealth. England would never be able to sell Australia to the US, just as we in Denmark are not able to sell Greenland. The only way forward is trade war it seems and it would be better to escalate it quickly in order for Tru…

I don't understand. Are you implying that Greenland can decide to sell itself then?

They can, but they made abundantly clear that they don't want have anything to do with the US

Re: EU chief says EU should abandon caution after Bessent calls Denmark 'irrelevant'

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Post by dboreham »

kasperni wrote: post #3

Irrelevant?? Millions of obese Americans will disagree.

At first I thought you meant bacon. But then remembered decent bacon like from Denmark is illegal in the US. Then I realized what you mean. But Lilly makes the same drug so probably not a practical issue.

Re: EU chief says EU should abandon caution after Bessent calls Denmark 'irrelevant'

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Post by master-lincoln »

utilize1808 wrote: post #8
dybber wrote: post #6

Escalate to deescalate. Trump doesn’t understand that Greenland is a ~country~ self-gorverning territory in itself in the Kingdom of Denmark. Just like Australia is country in itself in the Commonwealth. England would never be able to sell Australia to the US, just as we in Denmark are not able to sell Greenland. The only way forward is trade war it seems and it would be better to escalate it quickly in order for Tru…

I don't understand. Are you implying that Greenland can decide to sell itself then?

Countries can be sold?

Re: EU chief says EU should abandon caution after Bessent calls Denmark 'irrelevant'

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Post by [deleted] »

dybber wrote: post #6

Escalate to deescalate. Trump doesn’t understand that Greenland is a ~country~ self-gorverning territory in itself in the Kingdom of Denmark. Just like Australia is country in itself in the Commonwealth. England would never be able to sell Australia to the US, just as we in Denmark are not able to sell Greenland. The only way forward is trade war it seems and it would be better to escalate it quickly in order for Tru…

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Re: EU chief says EU should abandon caution after Bessent calls Denmark 'irrelevant'

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Post by wqaatwt »

dybber wrote: post #6

Escalate to deescalate. Trump doesn’t understand that Greenland is a ~country~ self-gorverning territory in itself in the Kingdom of Denmark. Just like Australia is country in itself in the Commonwealth. England would never be able to sell Australia to the US, just as we in Denmark are not able to sell Greenland. The only way forward is trade war it seems and it would be better to escalate it quickly in order for Tru…

> Just like Australia is country in itself in the Commonwealth.

That’s really not even close. Greenland isn’t even remotely self sustainable without Danish funding. It also has MPs in the Danish parliament. So yes while it technically has self-rule it’s still effectively a colony

Re: EU chief says EU should abandon caution after Bessent calls Denmark 'irrelevant'

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Post by macmac »

dybber wrote: post #6

Escalate to deescalate. Trump doesn’t understand that Greenland is a ~country~ self-gorverning territory in itself in the Kingdom of Denmark. Just like Australia is country in itself in the Commonwealth. England would never be able to sell Australia to the US, just as we in Denmark are not able to sell Greenland. The only way forward is trade war it seems and it would be better to escalate it quickly in order for Tru…

Greenland is not a country, it is a self-governing territory within the Kingdom of Denmark.

Re: EU chief says EU should abandon caution after Bessent calls Denmark 'irrelevant'

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Post by microtonal »

mikkupikku wrote: post #9
dybber wrote: post #6

Escalate to deescalate. Trump doesn’t understand that Greenland is a ~country~ self-gorverning territory in itself in the Kingdom of Denmark. Just like Australia is country in itself in the Commonwealth. England would never be able to sell Australia to the US, just as we in Denmark are not able to sell Greenland. The only way forward is trade war it seems and it would be better to escalate it quickly in order for Tru…

France could do an atmospheric nuclear test. That would probably wake the senile idiot up.

I am happy that some Hacker News commenters are not running countries. One wacko is more than enough.

The risks are totally not worth it and there are a million better ways to increase pressure (like the trade bazooka).

Re: EU chief says EU should abandon caution after Bessent calls Denmark 'irrelevant'

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Post by lm28469 »

wqaatwt wrote: post #15
dybber wrote: post #6

Escalate to deescalate. Trump doesn’t understand that Greenland is a ~country~ self-gorverning territory in itself in the Kingdom of Denmark. Just like Australia is country in itself in the Commonwealth. England would never be able to sell Australia to the US, just as we in Denmark are not able to sell Greenland. The only way forward is trade war it seems and it would be better to escalate it quickly in order for Tru…

> Just like Australia is country in itself in the Commonwealth. That’s really not even close. Greenland isn’t even remotely self sustainable without Danish funding. It also has MPs in the Danish parliament. So yes while it technically has self-rule it’s still effectively a colony

> So yes while it technically has self-rule it’s still effectively a colony

Being self sufficient or not isn't part of the definition of a colony

Re: EU chief says EU should abandon caution after Bessent calls Denmark 'irrelevant'

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Post by dybber »

utilize1808 wrote: post #8
dybber wrote: post #6

Escalate to deescalate. Trump doesn’t understand that Greenland is a ~country~ self-gorverning territory in itself in the Kingdom of Denmark. Just like Australia is country in itself in the Commonwealth. England would never be able to sell Australia to the US, just as we in Denmark are not able to sell Greenland. The only way forward is trade war it seems and it would be better to escalate it quickly in order for Tru…

I don't understand. Are you implying that Greenland can decide to sell itself then?

Greenlanders could vote to be completely independent, yes. That is the situation right now.

However, Trump has done everything to turn Greenlanders away, and not done anything to convince them of independence would be good for them, so a vote for independence will likely fail catastrophically right now. Independence is many decades away, as they would really have to build a stronger economy to make it happen, but that is the direction Greenlanders would like to go, at least if you asked them 2 years ago.

Re: EU chief says EU should abandon caution after Bessent calls Denmark 'irrelevant'

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Post by epolanski »

baxtr wrote: post #10
dybber wrote: post #6

Escalate to deescalate. Trump doesn’t understand that Greenland is a ~country~ self-gorverning territory in itself in the Kingdom of Denmark. Just like Australia is country in itself in the Commonwealth. England would never be able to sell Australia to the US, just as we in Denmark are not able to sell Greenland. The only way forward is trade war it seems and it would be better to escalate it quickly in order for Tru…

If you’re part of an independent kingdom can you decide to become part of another kingdom? Asking for an kingdom I know.

Sadly we, the "good guys", created a dangerous precedent in the balkans when Kosovo unilaterally split from Serbia, under foreign (NATO) occupation moreover.

International law does not promote nor support unilateral secessions. If a region or autonomous republic wants to secede it should only do so in accordance to the host country laws. E.g. the Quebec and Scotland referendums were made in accordance to the host countries of Canada and UK.

But then we created that dangerous case where now every region can secede from their host one unilaterally, even if it's occupied by foreign forces. And in practice, the "legality" of it, really depends on international recognition and the undergoing narratives.

International laws have always been pleasantries, as there's no real ways to enforce them, but there were powerful incentives for everybody to play by the rules.

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