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Colourlovers (YC W10) launches Creative Market

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Re: Colourlovers (YC W10) launches Creative Market

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Beautiful site. Looks (and works) really well on an iPad. And it looks like you've got some great content on there already. A question, because I'm curious: Seems like there are several marketplaces online for stuff like this (mostly the Envato universe of stuff - themeforest, etc.) What's the motivation for building this? Not knocking the project - I dig it. But I'm curious what specifically you guys feel is missing…

Yeah, being webkit based it wasn't hard to get ipad support. Most of the work was spent getting the site to look good on retina displays.

There's a lot to mention regarding motivation, especially in terms of user experience for both buyers and sellers. One thing that's not as subjective is our split with sellers. Envato advertises a 70/30 split on themeforest, but you have to be exclusive as well as sell over $75k of goods (http://themeforest.net/make_money/payment_rates). If you're selling non-exclusively, authors only get 33%. We give authors 70%, end of story.

Re: Colourlovers (YC W10) launches Creative Market

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For those who don't know what we are, CreativeMarket is an online marketplace for digital design assets. Think Etsy, but instead of vintage skirts and hand-sewn bags we have fonts and icons. (disclosure: I'm a developer here)

I've been a long time customer of Envato's marketplaces and this is the first I've seen of CreativeMarket. How would you compare yourselves to them? Browsing through your collection, I'm impressed with the level of quality.

It seems like CreativeMarket is focusing a lot on the creators of their content, much like how Etsy showcases their craftsmen with special blogs and features.

I've also been using Envato's resources for the past few years but I use it much more like I would Ebay or Amazon, searching for the right items to purchase and compare and not really noticing the people behind the work.

Re: Colourlovers (YC W10) launches Creative Market

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I like the idea, really, in terms of goals, presentation, and spirit. Unfortunately the second thing my mind goes to with this is the practical stuff: What are the limits and licenses?

The licensing is required, but the limits on it make me wonder about how much use I'd get out of it. I see links to the license on the FAQ: https://creativemarket.com/license - but there's only one type of license offered. It's very artist-friendly, I'll admit, but... that's the only license. The FAQ says that if that's a deal-breaker, to use the contact form. But there's more about that license that's, well, confusing.

It seems about what you'd expect (by which I mean good for a seller, and not as much as I'd hope for as a buyer, but buying IP is always going to be hard to balance, so it's understandable/expected), though there's one that worries me: "All other items may only be used in a single commercial project." This is referencing items that aren't add-ons.

Does this mean, for example, a purchased WP theme could only be used on one client's site, ever? That's how I'm reading this plus the other terms.

And those packs of between 25 and 500 or so icons, can they only be used in a single client application? It looks like some are add-ons to Photoshop, while others are apparently a non-program specific package, doesn't that mean they have to be used differently per this license since one set of icons is an add-on, the other isn't? I know it's called "SimpleLicense", but licenses are never simple.

And then there's another licensing aspect. The true ownership of the items. The FAQ says that each item won't be checked when uploaded to the market, so the developer can update listings as they please, and to use a contact form for copyright issues.

I'd hope that'd be enough, but I already see one person who looks like they are probably infringing copyright, from what this lay person can see: https://creativemarket.com/Adrien/activity - does this individual has licenses from Braun for his UI product and individual licenses with each car manufacturer listed for the car designs that allows him to create products based off those and resell them with a restrictive license?

A place to report copyright violations in excess of just a contact form is going to be required, sooner or later. But a check to begin with to make sure someone isn't offering an item that already exists... I can see how that'd be an impediment. The texture packs make me wonder for both site and seller, as I wouldn't want to be the person that has to make sure one particular version of the texture "crumpled paper" isn't the same as the other 1000 versions of it.

That all said, it does feel like something that has great potential to succeed. I do some design work, and even with all I noticed, I'd still be tempted to use this site for selling sets of graphics.

Re: Colourlovers (YC W10) launches Creative Market

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For me, the curation of the content, and quality of the item thumbnail previews really make this site for me, and I really hope both continue as you expand in content. Especially for the cheaper assets (It'll be really interesting to see how the business model is going to work and whether you'll be able to hand curate all new submissions or automate to an effective degree. Apple has been able to do curation but obviously your volumes will be much different, despite similar price points and margins.

A few bug reports --

I wasn't interested in the icon sets - I unchecked the Icons category but many still remained, ex [0]. It looks like you can disable all of the categories and still get 52 results.

Some of the items have contradictory license terms, ex [1]. The license at the bottom of this page seems to contradict the Simple license listed in the about table.

You cannot "Use a purchased icon set as artwork that enhances actual gameplay in your app, such as the birds in Angry Birds" in the simple license seems like it is an unnecessary grey area, and scares me because I don't understand the intent, where the line is drawn, and whether you had a lawyer look over the license.

[0] https://creativemarket.com/Picons/617-Picons-Ultimate-icons

[1] https://creativemarket.com/DottedDaisy/794-Blue-Argyle-Digit...

Re: Colourlovers (YC W10) launches Creative Market

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I like the idea, really, in terms of goals, presentation, and spirit. Unfortunately the second thing my mind goes to with this is the practical stuff: What are the limits and licenses? The licensing is required, but the limits on it make me wonder about how much use I'd get out of it. I see links to the license on the FAQ: https://creativemarket.com/license - but there's only one type of license offered. It's very ar…

We're trying to simplify licensing. That means having to make some calls as to what can fit in a single license and what falls outside. We will add an additional license that allows for resale soon. But if somebody is buying a template from any marketplace and reselling it to clients, they should have purchased an extended license that allows for resale. It is more expensive than the base license.

So our simple license is not meant to be the all encompassing, but as a start and base license, the most open license. ie, you can actually use it commercially.

As for the rights and infringement stuff, we take this seriously and are gating sellers right now while we work on this stuff before letting anybody open a shop. It will always be a moving target, but we'll keep working on our aim.

Re: Colourlovers (YC W10) launches Creative Market

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post #8

Beautiful site. Looks (and works) really well on an iPad. And it looks like you've got some great content on there already. A question, because I'm curious: Seems like there are several marketplaces online for stuff like this (mostly the Envato universe of stuff - themeforest, etc.) What's the motivation for building this? Not knocking the project - I dig it. But I'm curious what specifically you guys feel is missing…

Yeah, being webkit based it wasn't hard to get ipad support. Most of the work was spent getting the site to look good on retina displays. There's a lot to mention regarding motivation, especially in terms of user experience for both buyers and sellers. One thing that's not as subjective is our split with sellers. Envato advertises a 70/30 split on themeforest, but you have to be exclusive as well as sell over $75k of…

In the free market competition is good, it keeps pricing competitive, and despite Envato's popularity, they are still from my experience, not popular enough. To make it work well for the majority of authors they need everyone who works in the tech and creative space to know about them. I would give more as an author to the market if the market eliminated my need to spend much money/time on advertising.

Re: Colourlovers (YC W10) launches Creative Market

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For those who don't know what we are, CreativeMarket is an online marketplace for digital design assets. Think Etsy, but instead of vintage skirts and hand-sewn bags we have fonts and icons. (disclosure: I'm a developer here)

This is probably more for a hobby than a business, but I'd love it if you extended the site to cover musical 'goods.' Like people could submit riffs, melodies, drum loops, sound effects, to be bought for a small fee.
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