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Re: Show HN: Mastra 1.0, open-source JavaScript agent framework from the Gatsby devs

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Post by manishsharan »

microflash wrote: post #3

Why should I use this over say Strands Agents [1] or Spring AI [2]? [1]: https://strandsagents.com [2]: https://spring.io/projects/spring-ai

Spring AI is fantastic for Java shops. I am assuming Typescript devs will enjoy Mastra just as much .

Re: Show HN: Mastra 1.0, open-source JavaScript agent framework from the Gatsby devs

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Post by sabr »

Mastra looks great!

- How do you compare Mastra with Tanstack AI? And/or do you plan to build on top of Tanstack AI like the Vercel AI SDK?

- Since there's a Mastra cloud, do you have an idea as to what features will be exclusive to the hosted version?

Re: Show HN: Mastra 1.0, open-source JavaScript agent framework from the Gatsby devs

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Post by avaer »

nsonha wrote: post #39

is "from the Gatsby devs" some how supposed to help the credential? Looks like a cool framework regardless of that.

If I had some heartfelt advice for the Mastra devrel team it would be to shut up about about Gatsby.

I'm a happy Mastra user and I'm biased to their success. But I think linking it to an unrelated project is only going to matter to non-technical CXOs who choose technology based on names not merits. And that's not the audience Mastra needs to appeal to to be successful. Good dev tools and techs trickle from the bottom up in engineering organizations.

Re: Show HN: Mastra 1.0, open-source JavaScript agent framework from the Gatsby devs

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Post by calcsam »

sabr wrote: post #43

Mastra looks great! - How do you compare Mastra with Tanstack AI? And/or do you plan to build on top of Tanstack AI like the Vercel AI SDK? - Since there's a Mastra cloud, do you have an idea as to what features will be exclusive to the hosted version?

Re: Tanstack AI, really depends on adoption. We've known Tanner since his react-static days and if it takes off we'll def work together.

Re: Mastra cloud -- this is basically hosted services, eg observability, hosted studio, hosted serverless deployments, as distinct from the framework.

With server adapters you can now deploy your studio in your infra. We're going to pull multi-project / multi-user Mastra cloud features into a Mastra admin feature so you can run these locally or deploy them on your infra as well (with EE licensing for stuff like RBAC). Stay tuned here.

Re: Show HN: Mastra 1.0, open-source JavaScript agent framework from the Gatsby devs

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Post by calcsam »

orliesaurus wrote: post #40

the framework is great, but how are you gonna make real money?

Cloud-hosted observability + studio features (and self-hosted with EE bits).

You can take a look at the cloud platform at cloud.mastra.ai, it's in beta currently

It's the same play we did at Gatsby to get to several million in ARR in a couple of years

Re: Show HN: Mastra 1.0, open-source JavaScript agent framework from the Gatsby devs

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Post by calcsam »

avaer wrote: post #44
nsonha wrote: post #39

is "from the Gatsby devs" some how supposed to help the credential? Looks like a cool framework regardless of that.

If I had some heartfelt advice for the Mastra devrel team it would be to shut up about about Gatsby. I'm a happy Mastra user and I'm biased to their success. But I think linking it to an unrelated project is only going to matter to non-technical CXOs who choose technology based on names not merits. And that's not the audience Mastra needs to appeal to to be successful. Good dev tools and techs trickle from the bottom…

Thanks for the feedback. We hear from a lot of devs with fond memories of Gatsby but if it cuts the opposite way for you that's also fair!

Most of us spent a lot of the last decade building Gatsby so it's sort of a personal identity/pride thing for us more than a marketing thing. But maybe we need to keep our identity small! Either way, thanks for saying something, worth thinking about.

Re: Show HN: Mastra 1.0, open-source JavaScript agent framework from the Gatsby devs

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Post by esperent »

calcsam wrote: post #34
esperent wrote: post #29

I've been building with Mastra for a couple of weeks now and loving it, so congratulations on reaching 1.0! It's built on top of Vercel AI elements/SDK and it seems to me that was a good decision. My mental heuristic is: Vercel AI SDK = library, low level Mastra = framework Then Vercel AI Elements gives you an optional pre built UI. However, I read the blog post for the upcoming AI SDK 6.0 release last week, and it s…

Have a ton of respect for the AI SDK team. Initially we only used AI SDK model routing, but now we also have our own built-in model routing as well. I see each of us having different architectures. AI SDK is more low-level, and Mastra is more integrated with storage powering our studio, evals, memory, workflow suspend/resume etc.

What a corporate and wishy washy response that just basically repeated what I said back at me.

I was hoping to actually engage with you but I guess you just came here to do marketing.

> AI SDK is more low-level

AI SDK was more low level. My question was, since the latest V6 release is moving towards higher level components, what do you think about that? How will you continue to differentiate your product if Vercel makes moves to eat your lunch?

That's almost certainly their intention here, following their highly successful Next.js playbook: start by creating low level dev tools, gradually expand the scope, make sure that all the docs and setup guides you towards deploying on their infrastructure.

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