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Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by izzydata »

Hackbraten wrote: post #495
izzydata wrote: post #461

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I want to see a movement of people using dumbphones or no phones at all. Anything you do on a smartphone can be done later on a desktop computer and a landline phone.

I left the Apple ecosystem three years ago and have been daily driving a Linux-based phone ever since. I’m still dealing with the fallout even today. There are tons of things in 2026 that you can no longer conveniently do without an Apple or Google mobile OS. For example, you’re out of all the group chats. No more WhatsApp, Telegram, or Signal. You can’t have those on a computer unless you have the account tethered t…

At least in the US people still only use SMS or a program that can be installed on a computer. I've never used WhatsApp, Telegram or Signal.

The only thing right now that I need my Android phone for is Duo Mobile authentication to log into my work computer.

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Post by GuB-42 »

atonse wrote: post #8

More and more evidence that the a-holes with spreadsheets are taking over at Apple and they’re completely devoid of any ideas on the software side. I heard someone randomly say that they should replace Tim Cook with Scott Forstall. I chuckled at the idea but this might be a great idea. Apple is having its Ballmer moment. Google did too before AI lit the fire under their feet. Who is going to be Apple’s next Nadella?…

I think you are giving executives too much credit. All the people you cited are just business managers. Multi-billion dollar public companies are not startups, decisions are the result of comities, shareholder meetings, and consequences of choices made a decade later. Who is at the head now matters, but to a limited extent. Steve Jobs may be an exception, but mostly because he was a founder, so he led the company when it was small enough to support a true dictator.

As for Ballmer vs Nadella, what did Microsoft do under Nadella that wasn't started under Ballmer? The big things: 365 and Azure were both started under Ballmer. Bing, the only real competitor to Google search, which is also profitable, was made under Ballmer too. Essentially, Nadella continued Ballmer's job, as expected from a MBA CEO to another MBA CEO. The shift from Windows-first to cloud-first was already in the making when Nadella took over.

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Post by nix0n »

GrowingSideways wrote: post #412
6510 wrote: post #313

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One is the result the other is the process.

Ok, but what is the distinction between the two terms?

Enshittification puts the focus on the users of the product as the product gets worse.

Ensheetification puts the focus on what's happening within the business to cause this.

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Post by PlatoIsADisease »

mschuster91 wrote: post #462
PlatoIsADisease wrote: post #408

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>you discover that there's a heap of functionality and convenience you'll have to let go, and add complexity and cost to your setup. Which is? Every time I got an Apple product, it felt like a step back. They were late to widgets, late to AI. Their security is historically poor.

> Every time I got an Apple product, it felt like a step back. They were late to widgets, late to AI. Their security is historically poor. It's not a bad thing to be late to AI. Most of it has shown to be a complete waste of time, money and resources. As for poor security - this has got to be a joke, right? If anything, it's the Windows world that has a piss poor track record when it comes to security. Apple meanwhil…

>it's not a bad thing to be late to AI. Most of it has shown to be a complete waste of time, money and resources.

This is just cognitive bias. If Apple was doing well with AI, you'd be praising it.

I've been having gemini look at my screen and add events to my calendar in 2 clicks.

Not to mention... I don't really have lots of faith in the people who don't see the value in AI. Its halved my programming costs if not more.

>As for poor security - this has got to be a joke, right? If anything, it's the Windows world that has a piss poor track record when it comes to security. Apple meanwhile, unless you're a terrorist or drug kingpin, no way the police can access a properly protected device.

You do you then. I need my device secured. I won't explain because it makes myself a target.

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by MiddleEndian »

One of the main reasons I used to like Macs instead of Windows machines was because Apple did not do this kind of bullshit lol. Although showing ads on the app store above your searches at all is terrible behavior that both iOS and Android are guilty. They already get a cut of all the sales.

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Post by sunrunner »

janfoeh wrote: post #338
sunrunner wrote: post #273

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I’m not sure if this still works as everything gets a bit more broken in every new macOS, but context menu ‘Reveal in Finder’ used to be my way to figure out where the search result was. My latest macOS gripe is that the ability to copy text out of iTunes (something ridiculous like, say, an album description) has...just disappeared? I’d love to know what UI framework shenanigans just straight up break text selection.

Aah, don't worry, that's why they introduced system-wide text recognition in images, powered by Apple Intelligence! Just take a screenshot of that album description, and ... sigh

I never actually thought to try such an obvious and definitely-not-ridiculous approach, and I can (happily?) confirm it works, so thanks for that. Apple are certainly leaning into Think Different with this.

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Post by jama211 »

eimrine wrote: post #488
jama211 wrote: post #464

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I’d like to revisit and see if in 6 months time you’ve actually left or if you just were angry.

Great point! If he is smartphonized, he will not get out of his addiction without losing job, life etc.

I meant to apple specifically… pretty sure you don’t lose your job switching devices usually

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Post by 10729287 »

asdff wrote: post #484
10729287 wrote: post #440

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Except group chat. And RCS couldn’t be installed on a custom rom as Google took over the protocol and locked user. Message is the only thing preventing me to switch of iPhone, as lineage or graphene will require installing WhatsApp, which is a big No.

I'm in group chats with android users and it works fine. "10729287 liked $message" is about the only difference as far as I can tell.

That's because you are all "logged in" a RCS group. It's a nice solution altough not crypted on iPhone yet, but it's unavailable to a custom android rom because Google won't allow it without installing Google Apps.

Android Custom Rom = sms/mms(no group) or Signal (good luck making family adopt it) or Whatsapp (evil).

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Post by hdgvhicv »

latexr wrote: post #330
hdgvhicv wrote: post #151

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The time that an “App Store” existed and didn’t have adverts was very minimal. Like OP I haven’t browsed the iPhone App Store for over a decade. Occasionally a web page will send me to their app directly and if I want it (very rare) I’ll get it, same with installing specific apps - Spotify, YouTube, WhatsApp etc. Apple used to charge money for a premium product where the customers were customers and not the product.…

> The time that an “App Store” existed and didn’t have adverts was very minimal. The iOS App Store was introduced in 2008. Ads in it began in 2016. We’re in 2026. The App Store has had ads for longer than it didn’t, but the early period was not “very minimal”, it was almost half its current life time.

But the time from smart phones becoming more popular than normal phones was about 2012, so that would be 75% of the time for most users.
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