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UK consulting on bringing in social media ban for under 16s

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Re: UK consulting on bringing in social media ban for under 16s

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What is it about this 16 y/o cutoff that seems to be the focus everywhere? Why not 18? It almost seems like this will make SM attractive by making it a kind of forbidden fruit and/or a social standing status indicator for impressionable, malleable minded, underdeveloped minds of teens seeking to feel like adults. In other words, if I didn’t know any better, I would have guessed that it might actually be the likes of…

Why 18? Why not 21, or 26? I agree with you that this would create a forbidden fruit, and a combination of social media becoming more desirable to under-16yo and teenagers binging social media as soon as they become 16. But the solution to that is to push the age limit down, not up. 14 or 12 would be much more reasonable ages. That gives parents a clear cutoff when their kids have to be ready for social media, and pr…

It seem to me the obvious counter is that the current age of things like FB is 13. Short of legislated controls, guardrails, limits on that access (e.g., parental responsibility for any and all online activities with parental notifications, reports, and clandestine surveillance abilities, limitations based on immediate proximity or same school attendance, limitations based on age difference, i.e., only +/- 1 year, etc) I don't see how the current state is ideal.

The problem now is arguably that parents are not really good at "teaching" children about SM, to a large part because they aren't "good" at it, don't underestand it, and it constantly changes too (Looking at FB here).

I would agree with you if there were some kind of solid, public input crafted specification and standard for SM to not just handle minors, but even transportability across SM/sites, and also hard user data protections and ownership laws. The idea being that possibly anything but boring BBS basically dying out because the data cannot be captured, collected, and sold like harvesting humans in the Matrix.

Re: UK consulting on bringing in social media ban for under 16s

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What is it about this 16 y/o cutoff that seems to be the focus everywhere? Why not 18? It almost seems like this will make SM attractive by making it a kind of forbidden fruit and/or a social standing status indicator for impressionable, malleable minded, underdeveloped minds of teens seeking to feel like adults. In other words, if I didn’t know any better, I would have guessed that it might actually be the likes of…

This was an argument that was used to not ban smoking for kids in the UK back in the day. From the parliment debate... > [banning smoking would] afford a direct encouragement to children to smoke. Most boys of a tender age who might be seen smoking in public places did so, not because of any attachment to tobacco, but because they considered it a practice in advance of their years, and something moreover which their…

I should have been more explicit, if I understand you. I support not just making it illegal for any minor to be on any big SM, but also creating standards and specifications for data ownership, controls, collection, and privacy that are hard and accompanied with extreme punishments, i.e., per intentional, negligent, or reckless violation; per data point, not incident. Make the companies aware that a single event can crater the whole corporation if the corporation cannot prove that its officers did not act in violation of the corporation and are therefore personally responsible, and they will keep the rules.

Re: UK consulting on bringing in social media ban for under 16s

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post #7

What is it about this 16 y/o cutoff that seems to be the focus everywhere? Why not 18? It almost seems like this will make SM attractive by making it a kind of forbidden fruit and/or a social standing status indicator for impressionable, malleable minded, underdeveloped minds of teens seeking to feel like adults. In other words, if I didn’t know any better, I would have guessed that it might actually be the likes of…

> uncontrolled and illegal psychological manipulation testing on its users Facebook is so uncool to the youth the only idea they could come up with to make kids want to be on it again was to "ban" it.

I'm not sure if you are trying to mock the idea, but it would not be the first time that something like that would work and although not sure, it seems that FB would not be above any of that given their history (having some inside knowledge from very early on) and that the demographics seem to be going against them in a major way.

Re: UK consulting on bringing in social media ban for under 16s

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> uncontrolled and illegal psychological manipulation testing on its users Facebook is so uncool to the youth the only idea they could come up with to make kids want to be on it again was to "ban" it.

I'm not sure if you are trying to mock the idea, but it would not be the first time that something like that would work and although not sure, it seems that FB would not be above any of that given their history (having some inside knowledge from very early on) and that the demographics seem to be going against them in a major way.

Facebook, it's toasted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SsnkXH2mQY

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