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Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by Night_Thastus »

costcopizza wrote: post #463
melenaboija wrote: post #166

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> Then I think you see an early indication not just of electric car dominance, but of the (very potential) rise of China as the premier automotive super power. It’s done man. Americans are stuck in ICE engines because they’ve been told they’re “car enthusiasts” while the Chinese have been developing EV technology for years. Meanwhile, European makers are stuck not knowing what to do, make Americans happy or compete w…

I can 100% confidently say the average US buyer is not an auto enthusiast. Cars are appliances to the vast majority of people here. There are multiple other factors for the relatively low adoption of EVs compared to China.

Auto enthusiasts no, but cars are definitely not appliances in the US.

Cars are a way people mark their social status - whether they will admit it or not. A big, luxurious SUV with a small mountain of space, the latest tech, etc is not an 'appliance'. It's a luxury people are choosing to buy.

The difference is in priorities. Americans wanted a very different kind of car than China is/was making.

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Post by al_borland »

thinkingemote wrote: post #368

Electric cars are required by law to emit sound via a speaker for safety. Usually the sound is unique and somewhat electronic in nature. Some electric sports cars, and I'm not sure but Porsche may be one of them, have a loud deep bassy faux-sports engine sound emitting from the speaker. "VROOOOM VROOOOOM VROOOM!" - on an electric car. Does anyone else find this *extremely* weird? It's like a petrol car having a speak…

My last ICE car (a VW GTI) did this. I could turn the engine noise up or down in the settings on the touch screen.

I think I’d prefer it sound like an ICE car vs the weird electric noises. I don’t notice when most cars drive by my house, unless they are obnoxiously loud. But someone on my street got an electric SUV about 6 months ago and I can hear it every single time; it drives me crazy.

I was hoping electric cars would cut down on noise pollution, but no such luck. I understand the sounds is there for blind people, but the sound some of these companies have picked cuts right through the walls of my house like few other things do. I’m wondering what it will sound like when we have a whole city full of them.

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by mullingitover »

aweiland wrote: post #541
mullingitover wrote: post #155

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That article throws out the wild claim “The news comes at a time when EV demand is on the decline across the car world.” EV sales increased around 20% last year.

I see this claim made all over the place in the media, and never made with evidence.

Took me about 12 seconds in google to find a reputable source[1].

[1] https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/global...

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Post by jagermo »

hnben wrote: post #340
jagermo wrote: post #335

you know the sad thing? Porsche didn't even try. They could have copied Teslas playbook and create a cool, fun, overpowered electric 911 or Targa or pull an old, fun concept and make it electric. Instead, they have a boring SVU and the panamera, one of the probably ugliest car they have. No one buys a Porsche because they want a sensible car for their family or they need something with large storage. They want midlif…

> No one buys a Porsche because they want a sensible car for their family or they need something with large storage I know two porsche-owners personally. One sometimes uses his porsche (non SUV, but the small fast one) to go on family vacations (with the kids cramped at the too small back seats, which seems funny to me). The other has an SUV and lives in the country with bad roads; They sometimes use their porsche to…

> The other has an SUV and lives in the country with bad roads; They sometimes use their porsche to commute to work and for everyday-stuff like shopping.

That blows my mind.

I guess its the same mindset as people who buy a mercedes "jeep" (don't know the product id) or range rover and live the middle of the city.

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Post by ianburrell »

fooker wrote: post #367
onion2k wrote: post #252

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Sure, but compared to an era when horses were used as a practical form of transport the number is effectively zero. Horses are a novelty that wealthy people play with. ICE cars will go the same way.

I think we are going to be driving hybrids in large numbers for several decades until there's a new battery technology that triples energy density over the state of the art now. It can be invented sooner of course, technology prediction never really works.

Solid state lithium batteries, which are starting to roll out now, are big enough jump. They have 50-80% more capacity which gives enough range for a day of driving. They charge faster so can charge on regular stops. They aren't flammable.

Cars don't need triple energy density, 600mi range and 15min charge is plenty. There is cost factor, but batteries have gotten cheap that isn't an issue. People talk about lithium shortage but it hasn't shown up.

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Post by toephu2 »

PunchyHamster wrote: post #326
toephu2 wrote: post #226

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ICE cars are on the way to becoming obsolete. Japan doesn't produce many strong competing EVs at the moment. Why are you sticking with Japanese cars? why not American? But yes definitely Chinese EVs in the future when they come to America/Europe.

americans are junk in comparison

Teslas are junk? have you ever driven one recently?

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Post by willvarfar »

bluGill wrote: post #544
willvarfar wrote: post #283

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And what about all those huge pending orders for F35 in ... Denmark and Canada? Etc.

There are no other options. The F35 is the only gen5 fighter you can buy (Russia has one, but they can't make it and in any case Russia is invading Europe now and so not an option) , and as such it is going to be better than anything else you can get. Plus the cost of the F35 is similar or less than your other options. The real question is what do those countries do when they have other options.

everyone is expecting everyone to actually go Gripen with Rolls Royce or MECA engines?

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Post by gogusrl »

pjc50 wrote: post #573
aryonoco wrote: post #272

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Car enthusiast here. I raced in Formula Ford in Europe in my younger days. I still dream about the day I drove a 911 GT2. Nearly every car I’ve ever owned has been a manual. But with the ridiculous tax incentives here in Australia (at least while they last), my new car turned out to be an EV. Specifically the Hyundai Ioniq 5 N. And let me tell you, while the logical part of my brain knows that the gear shifts and the…

The Ioniq 5N is extremely funny on paper. It's not wildly expensive, nor is it greatly modified from stock, but the engineers decided to just completely overspec the torque on what is otherwise an ordinary family car. So you get a 0-60 time of about three seconds. I'm slightly surprised there aren't more cheap electric "hot hatches", but I think that market is dead even in ICE cars - young people don't have much free…

The Volvo EX30 / MG4 XPower would fit in the hot hatch / sub-compact crossover crossover. Both cars are the size of a raised VW Polo at 4.2m length while having over 400hp and around 3.5 secs to 60.

While not exactly cheap, you can get the MG for under 30k eur if you shop around for some discounts and the volvo at around 35-40k. considering a 300hp golf R is over 50k eur they're pretty great options for some cheap fun. Cheap as in total cost of ownership, not just purchase price.

Also, the SC01 people just announced that they plan to bring it to Europe [1] so that's gonna be a great option.

[1] https://insideevs.com/news/784884/sc01-electric-coupe-roadst...

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Post by Esophagus4 »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #623
CGMthrowaway wrote: post #266

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When will EVs be for them?

When L2 errand charging becomes enough that they can keep up with daily travel by plugging in where they go and park for a while - restaurants, movie theaters, retail stores, doctor and dentist offices, etc.

I would like to see alternative charging approaches, as well, like inductive charging roads / parking spaces... this seems kind of cool: https://www.michigan.gov/mdot/travel/mobility/initiatives/wi...

That way I wouldn't need to stress over finding a charging place so often.

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Post by NetMageSCW »

sheepybloke wrote: post #208
CGMthrowaway wrote: post #111

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I never understood the big push for full EVs over hybrid. Roughly speaking, a hybrid gets double the MPG of an ICE car, and a BEV gets double the MPGe of a hybrid. But BEVs require you to add a plug to your garage to get a rapid refuel, when your whole neighborhood gets them it strains the grid, you are range limited, etc... My hunch is there are some laws or regs somewhere that kept hybrids from really taking off (o…

My uncle works in the industry and was getting a new car recently. His two options were all electric or all ICE, because from his experience, EHEVs have the problems of both ICE and BEV vehicles.

His experience is biased because studies have shown that hybrids have fewer issues than pure ICE or pure BEV.
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