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Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by trinix912 »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #115
cdrnsf wrote: post #41

Not only are Apple's services bad, they've becoming inescapable. It's rumored that they'll add ads to maps as soon as next year. Music.app is simply an ad for Apple Music, Books.app is like reading in a Barnes and Noble while someone from marketing looks over your shoulder and their TV app features their own shows to an overbearing degree — everything else is becoming more of an afterthought.

> Music.app is simply an ad for Apple Music, If you use iTunes Match or load your own MP3s every time you open the app the search field is set to “Apple Music” and the search fails until you toggle it, every time. Been like that for 2+ years

It’s been like that ever since Apple Music became a thing. I remember fiddling with this on an iPhone 6.

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by trinix912 »

TheDong wrote: post #237
asdff wrote: post #224

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By "degrade the experience" you mean you get a text that says "TheDong liked $message." The horror! Maybe people will go back to just sending a thumbs up emoji.

By "degrade the experience" I mean: 1. Unable to remove members, or change member's phone-numbers without recreating the entire chat and losing continuity / bothering everyone with noise about these changes. 2. Green bubbles, so if your teenage child talks in the group chat at school and one of their classmates sees the green bubble, they'll be bullied for the rest of the time in school. 3. Unable to send high qualit…

Outside the US people use WhatsApp and other third party messengers so none of that is necessarily a big issue. As for teenagers they mostly use Snapchat and Instagram for groupchats nowadays.

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by latexr »

pjmlp wrote: post #348
latexr wrote: post #346

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I can give you examples. Just the other day I was updating an API that has been deprecated for a decade and a half but still worked. I never had to update a deprecated API in macOS, though I do. Maybe I got lucky in the ones I use, but either way the point stands.

Try to use Quicktime, Quicktime3D, QuicktimeVR on Tahoe, with their Mac OS 9 API surface. Or Java Bridge, Carbon, AGL for some more recent on OS X timeframe. An example on Github compiling on Tahoe is welcomed. Nope, "Apple does keep supporting old APIs indefinitely.". doesn't stand.

> with their Mac OS 9 API surface

Oh, come on, that’s just bad faith arguing. “Indefinitely” does not mean “forever”. When an API stops working because the OS around it fundamentally changes, that‘s understandable. But they don’t usually break something they deprecated just because it was deprecated, those keep working.

> An example on Github compiling on Tahoe is welcomed.

Sure, buddy, I’ll get right on it. I’ve been avoiding Tahoe since it was announced but I’ll install it and create a project just for a random troll on the internet. I’ll even make a series of them, and a private YouTube channel just for you while I’m at it.

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by snarf21 »

mdasen wrote: post #21

This is what basically everyone else has done over the past decade. Google used to put a different background behind ads in its search ( https://www.fsedigital.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Google... ). It made it really easy to tell what was an ad and skip over it quickly. Now it's a lot harder to quickly notice what's an ad and what isn't. Sites used to have banner ads. Now they show posts that look exactly like t…

Yeah, we need a law that these are very much visually distinguished and in the same color so we can learn to ignore them. So much of the web is completely anti-consumer.

I used to look for stuff on Poshmark but now when you search it is almost impossible to find your search results as everything is "Promoted". So I just gave up and stop using their product.

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by troyvit »

patrick451 wrote: post #349
mdasen wrote: post #21

This is what basically everyone else has done over the past decade. Google used to put a different background behind ads in its search ( https://www.fsedigital.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Google... ). It made it really easy to tell what was an ad and skip over it quickly. Now it's a lot harder to quickly notice what's an ad and what isn't. Sites used to have banner ads. Now they show posts that look exactly like t…

Apple not adopting these kinds of user hostile designs is why a lot of us were happy to a premium for their products. I guess Cook is just too stupid to understand that.

What it must be like to be an Apple hardware engineer these days, designing the most beautiful physical devices in personal computing, then handing it over to the bosses where they load it up with this schlock.

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by latexr »

threetonesun wrote: post #347
latexr wrote: post #330

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> The time that an “App Store” existed and didn’t have adverts was very minimal. The iOS App Store was introduced in 2008. Ads in it began in 2016. We’re in 2026. The App Store has had ads for longer than it didn’t, but the early period was not “very minimal”, it was almost half its current life time.

Did ads on search appear in 2016? I vaguely remember the change to the “curated” pages with ads but I thought searching for a specific app and getting an ad for it (or something else) before the first search result was even newer.

> Did ads on search appear in 2016?

Yes.

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/06/ads-appearing-app-store...

https://www.theverge.com/2016/10/6/13184346/apple-app-store-...

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by spolitry »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #193
mdasen wrote: post #21

This is what basically everyone else has done over the past decade. Google used to put a different background behind ads in its search ( https://www.fsedigital.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Google... ). It made it really easy to tell what was an ad and skip over it quickly. Now it's a lot harder to quickly notice what's an ad and what isn't. Sites used to have banner ads. Now they show posts that look exactly like t…

I like how, the way you've described it, it sounds as if, with the effort they go to to make ads as difficult to identify as possible, they're trying to hide their shame. It's tacit admission that people need to be 'tricked' into thinking that the advertising is actually an organic result. It's manipulative. It's an admission of the fact that advertising actively gets in the way of the service they're (incidentally)…

There’s no shame. They want money, ad clicks make money, and users avoid things they know are ads, so content providers obscure the ads identification signal. Stop anthropomorphizing corporations. They hate that.

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by threetonesun »

latexr wrote: post #396
threetonesun wrote: post #347

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Did ads on search appear in 2016? I vaguely remember the change to the “curated” pages with ads but I thought searching for a specific app and getting an ad for it (or something else) before the first search result was even newer.

> Did ads on search appear in 2016? Yes. https://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/06/ads-appearing-app-store... https://www.theverge.com/2016/10/6/13184346/apple-app-store-...

Wow, last decade went by fast.

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by spolitry »

Marsymars wrote: post #190
echelon wrote: post #105

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You're not allowed to use Pikachu commercially. Why should Google? They're taking advantage of every trademark to make money. Googling a trademark should activate a "no bids" mode. If Google wants to defend this action, then they should explain why they turned the URL bar into a search product and bought up 90% of the real estate. They've been incredibly heavy handed in search, web, and ads.

> You're not allowed to use Pikachu commercially. There are many uses of "Pikachu" that are reserved for the trademark holder, but by-and-large the point of trademark is to avoid consumer confusion by preventing people from passing off goods/services that aren't from the "Pikachu" holder as actually being from the "Pikachu" trademark holder. Generally, I am allowed to use "Pikachu" if it's in reference to Pikachu and…

During a sale aren’t allowed to lie about digimon being pikachu, even if it’s hard to enforce.

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by spolitry »

specialist wrote: post #345
delfinom wrote: post #146

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Advertising alternatives to trademarked names is completely legal in every sense. It's known as comparative advertising and is established for more than a century. You simply cannot pretend to be that trademark product/business and you cannot disparage that trademark.

> You simply cannot pretend to be that trademark product/business Some fraction of consumers are duped. Otherwise there wouldn't be so many knockoffs. If I enter Acme Orbital Thrusters into a search engine, the exact match, their actual website, must be the top hit. Otherwise it's a racket, not a search engine.

How much did you pay for that search engine?
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