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Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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> It's shocking that Apple hasn't done this trick yet when everyone else started doing it years ago. I pay Apple premium price for their phones. If they become as bad as the other, what’s the point to pay so much ?

You don’t think the hardware and software ecosystem are superior to the competition?

One of the ways its superior is the lack of adverts trying to double-dip.

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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there are already regulations in the EU which say

- ADs need to be clearly recognizable as such

- bunch of other things related to deceiving users and customer protection

- the risk this enables in combination with target ads to trick a user into installing a look alike malware makes such designs IMHO negligent, and in the EU you are responsible for (your) negligence no matter what you put in some TOS

so why do we tolerate sites systematically blending the lines between ads and content in a way which makes it unclear what is and isn't an ad and is designed to deceive the user into clicking on an ad instead of the content they are looking for. Which to make it worse also has lead to absurd market practices where competitors can semi-hide your product by buying ads which puts their look alike products above your product every time a user looks for your product.

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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No, but I want to live in a world where software can be 'done.' With very occasional security updates perhaps. I don't want to justify why my pomodoro timer needs a subscription model with constant updates.

Except that in that world they cannot force apps to adopt new APIs and have to keep supporting the old ones, thus the forced upgrades.

Apple does keep supporting old APIs indefinitely.

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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That 'Ad' text is literally the smallest text in the entire app listing UI

It's not. Just glimpsing the top of the article will reveal this is a patently false statement. Something I don't get about Apple haters is they just spout absolute bllx for no apparent reason. I don't feel the need to defend Apple, I just want a reasoned discussion. I just don't get this attitude.

I share your frustration. I’m an Apple user and absolutely dislike everything about their direction regarding software. I have nothing but criticism for Tim Cook. Yet I see myself having to correct batshit lies people make about Apple to have a proper discussion. There’s no need to make shit up (and doing so gives Apple the opportunity to outright dismiss those as haters), Apple makes a lot of crappy decisions we can criticise in good faith.

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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there are already regulations in the EU which say - ADs need to be clearly recognizable as such - bunch of other things related to deceiving users and customer protection - the risk this enables in combination with target ads to trick a user into installing a look alike malware makes such designs IMHO negligent, and in the EU you are responsible for (your) negligence no matter what you put in some TOS so why do we to…

> so why do we tolerate

Regular people outside tech couldn't care less. They scroll endless influencers pushing goods and services they were "invited", "collaborated with" with no advertising disclaimers, and they lap it up leaving streams of positive comments.

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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This is what basically everyone else has done over the past decade. Google used to put a different background behind ads in its search ( https://www.fsedigital.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Google... ). It made it really easy to tell what was an ad and skip over it quickly. Now it's a lot harder to quickly notice what's an ad and what isn't. Sites used to have banner ads. Now they show posts that look exactly like t…

> Now it's a lot harder to quickly notice what's an ad and what isn't.

Everything in the app store is an ad - all the content is produced to get people to download Apps. It's just that some is 'promoted'.

I'd be interested in hearing from any HN readers that use the App store to actually discover apps - don't people do Web/Reddit searches to see what people are using and rate and then search by name? Even an LLM can provide an overview of what's available and summarise features, drawbacks, and reviews.

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Amazon is particularly wild because you can use the site without realizing %70 of your results are ads.

I'm not trying to excuse Amazon but you do know what like, super markets, best buy etc, take ad money (promotional money?) from suppliers who pay for placement. That Samsung TV at the front being pushed at you, that's effectively ad money Samsung paid to have their TVs put at the front of the store. Those cans of Coke stacked at the end of the isle or piled up near the entrance at your super market? Coke paid to have…

When I owned a liquor store, the cigarette sales reps would all fall over themselves givings us free stuff, including straight cash, to place their cigarettes more prominently than the other brands. This would last for about a week or two until the other brand's rep would notice and up the ante.

> Those cans of Coke stacked at the end of the isle or piled up near the entrance at your super market? Coke paid to have them placed there.

Often, though endcaps are also used to move product that wasn't selling well and you want gone. But in any case, as a consumer you're usually better off ignoring products on the endcaps.

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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The Finder issue can be alleviated if you include the path bar in your Finder window, at least it is so before Tahoe. So you highlight a search result and the path bar shows you where it is. Search on iOS Mail is… what is it doing? I can see the e-mail right there, but Mail can’t find it. Especially if it needs to be « connected to power and on Wi-Fi ». Why?

I’m not sure if this still works as everything gets a bit more broken in every new macOS, but context menu ‘Reveal in Finder’ used to be my way to figure out where the search result was. My latest macOS gripe is that the ability to copy text out of iTunes (something ridiculous like, say, an album description) has...just disappeared? I’d love to know what UI framework shenanigans just straight up break text selection.

Aah, don't worry, that's why they introduced system-wide text recognition in images, powered by Apple Intelligence!

Just take a screenshot of that album description, and ... sigh

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

#339
Honestly, I use iOS purely as anti-Facebook guardrails

I trust there's granular permissions so that Zuckerberg can't scrape contacts

I understand there's corruption, and that annoys me. I wish Apple remained pure. But you still have to do this. Zuck is malicious as hell and we need sandboxes

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Amazon is particularly wild because you can use the site without realizing %70 of your results are ads.

I can’t confirm that exact percentage, but yes—“prime” placements on Amazon are driven by Amazon Ads. the Sponsored Brands banner at the top of the search results page, and the Top of Search Sponsored Products slots. [1] https://advertising.amazon.com/lp/build-your-business-with-a...

>I can’t confirm that exact percentage, but yes—“prime” placements on Amazon are driven by Amazon Ads.

It's a quip, anecdata, not quantitative analysis————why would you need to "confirm that exact percentage"?

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