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Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by hu3 »

echelon wrote: post #78
hu3 wrote: post #48

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At least in Android you can use F-Droid which is Play Store for open-source apps. I installed a regex powered notification blocker yesterday. Works as a charm.

For now, and only but a tiny fraction of you. 99.99% of users never visit the settings. For those that do, they won't get past scare wall #1 of enabling APKs and scare walls #2, #3, and #4 of downloading, installing, and enabling the app. Google knows this. Tyranny of defaults, trained user behaviors, ecosystem, scare tactics, and even SERPs manipulation to make this nigh undiscoverable. But they weren't content with…

Agreed. Far from enough. But at least there's an option for tech savvy folks.

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by coldtea »

Marsymars wrote: post #96
echelon wrote: post #32

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It ought to be illegal to host ads for registered trademarks (+/- some edit distance). Especially if you have a marketplace monopoly. Especially if you used overwhelming force to turn the "URL Bar" into a search product and then bought up 90% market share where you can tax every single brand on the planet. Google is the most egregious with this with respect to Google Search. It ought to be illegal, frankly. Google An…

> It ought to be illegal to host ads for registered trademarks (+/- some edit distance). This makes me a bit uncomfortable because of how close it comes to infringing on freedom of speech, and how specific a rule it would for search engines (and chat bots) - i.e. there's no real analogy of "can't target trademarked terms" for any ad format other than search engines. I think my preference would be to simply enforce la…

>This makes me a bit uncomfortable because of how close it comes to infringing on freedom of speech,

That's fine, ads should be downright forbidden and get no "freedom of speech".

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by Marsymars »

Nevermark wrote: post #119
Marsymars wrote: post #96

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> It ought to be illegal to host ads for registered trademarks (+/- some edit distance). This makes me a bit uncomfortable because of how close it comes to infringing on freedom of speech, and how specific a rule it would for search engines (and chat bots) - i.e. there's no real analogy of "can't target trademarked terms" for any ad format other than search engines. I think my preference would be to simply enforce la…

It wouldn't impinge on freedom of speech. Nothing would be prohibited from being said. It would require conflicts of interest to be disclosed clearly. I.e. labelling speech incentivized by someone else (ad buyer) clearly, as not organic speech (the search engine results). That is pro-transparency and ethics, not anti-speech.

> It would require conflicts of interest to be disclosed clearly. I.e. labelling speech incentivized by someone else (ad buyer) clearly, as not organic speech (the search engine results).

That's specifically what I'm proposing in the post you replied to?

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by coldtea »

bigyabai wrote: post #57
nikitaga wrote: post #30

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How is MacOS as enshittified as Windows? It doesn't have ads, doesn't push AI on you, their online services are trivial to ignore once and never think about again, etc. I haven't tried Tahoe, and sure, its new glass UI is shit, but merely incompetent UI design is not "enshittification" and is not in any way equivalent to what Microsoft does in Windows.

macOS does have ads, their online services are worse than Windows, and installing basic software like Homebrew and Git is like having teeth pulled. Windows is absolutely miserable, but with WSL installed it's far and away the better dev environment. I say that as someone who dailies Linux and hates all three OSes.

While macOS has gown down over time, installing Homebrew and Git on macOS is trivial, a 30 second affair.

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by caminanteblanco »

yomismoaqui wrote: post #13
atonse wrote: post #8

More and more evidence that the a-holes with spreadsheets are taking over at Apple and they’re completely devoid of any ideas on the software side. I heard someone randomly say that they should replace Tim Cook with Scott Forstall. I chuckled at the idea but this might be a great idea. Apple is having its Ballmer moment. Google did too before AI lit the fire under their feet. Who is going to be Apple’s next Nadella?…

Can we use "ensheetification" to describe this phenomeon? (sure I'm not the first to use this word)

I think the other replies are missing your 'sheet' pun, from my knowledge and a quick search, I think you coined it

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by coldtea »

iwontberude wrote: post #70
atonse wrote: post #8

More and more evidence that the a-holes with spreadsheets are taking over at Apple and they’re completely devoid of any ideas on the software side. I heard someone randomly say that they should replace Tim Cook with Scott Forstall. I chuckled at the idea but this might be a great idea. Apple is having its Ballmer moment. Google did too before AI lit the fire under their feet. Who is going to be Apple’s next Nadella?…

Forstall was an enshittefier too. Apple Maps was exactly what we are talking about.

Strange take. Apple Maps was a new product. It's expected it would be behind Google Maps, maybe even forever given all the headstart and resources Google gives it.

In any case, Apple Maps (a NEW then product, in an entirely new space for Apple) being bad, is not at all related to "enshittification".

Apple Maps is absolutely the wrong thing to judge Forstall on.

Not to mention that its main problem is coverage i.e. data quality. Regarding software engineering it's fine, even better than Google Maps in lots of aspects.

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by galenko »

seviu wrote: post #85
shantara wrote: post #33

It recently occurred to me that it’s been years since it was possible to find some new and interesting app just by browsing the App Store, like it used to be when iPhone and Android were first introduced. Now I open the store knowing in advance what exactly I’m looking for and take care not to accidentally click on a lookalike.

Not only that, it’s dangerous too specially if you have a family account with a single credit card. Apple doesn’t care about quality.

Yes. My wife’s mother keeps buying crap in game using my card and I have no reasonable way of blocking her from doing so if I want to keep app purchase sharing.

It’s insane. Does no one at apple have senile in laws? Or is this acceptable?

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by nikitaga »

runjake wrote: post #36
nikitaga wrote: post #30

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How is MacOS as enshittified as Windows? It doesn't have ads, doesn't push AI on you, their online services are trivial to ignore once and never think about again, etc. I haven't tried Tahoe, and sure, its new glass UI is shit, but merely incompetent UI design is not "enshittification" and is not in any way equivalent to what Microsoft does in Windows.

I've been getting intrusive first-party ads in Apple's OSes for at least the past 3 major OS releases. News+, Fitness+, Music, Apple TV+, etc etc.

Surely we can distinguish MacOS – the operating system – from the online services provided by Apple that happen to have a native app?

If you are choosing to use Apple online services, sure, you'll get upsells I guess, as with any other online service. I don't use any of Apple's online services, and never see those ads.

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by galenko »

rgovostes wrote: post #104

This makes no difference, because I can’t remember the last time I installed an app other than for the occasional airline. From 2008-12 it was genuinely exciting to see what new apps were being released every day. Mobile games from that era had cultural impact. I bought $2 apps without a thought. But Apple incentivized monetization above all else and killed that excitement. Now you can’t find a tip calculator that do…

We are a dying breed.

A whole new generation has never known an App Store without ads.

To them this is the norm.

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