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The microstructure of wealth transfer in prediction markets

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Re: The microstructure of wealth transfer in prediction markets

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This article lacks even the most basic understanding of probability and statistics. Slot machines "93 cents on the dollar" return is a statistical certainty of 7% loss. You are playing a repeated game which by the law of large numbers will converge to the 93% probability. In prediction markets if the markets are fully efficiently priced, in the absence of transaction costs you WILL get 100% back in the long run. Slot…

So clearly the market isn't efficiently priced.

Re: The microstructure of wealth transfer in prediction markets

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post #20

I'm getting some really skeezy ads for prediction markets on TikTok at the moment, the message is effectively "hey, are you broke? earn $50+/day on Kalshi!"

The Polymarket twitter accounts are massive ragebaiters. This is sports betting with some two minutes hate added in.

I have to say I was this huge fan of the idea and I didn’t anticipate it would happen like this.

Re: The microstructure of wealth transfer in prediction markets

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post #19
post #14

This article lacks even the most basic understanding of probability and statistics. Slot machines "93 cents on the dollar" return is a statistical certainty of 7% loss. You are playing a repeated game which by the law of large numbers will converge to the 93% probability. In prediction markets if the markets are fully efficiently priced, in the absence of transaction costs you WILL get 100% back in the long run. Slot…

> In prediction markets if the markets are fully efficiently priced, in the absence of transaction costs you WILL get 100% back in the long run. This is basically equivalent to the observation that, in a perfectly efficient market, no entity can ever make a profit. And yet, in the real world, entities make profits all the time. In fact, they make wild, unimaginable, world-changing, history-altering profits. This is a…

You misunderstood a basic principle here.

In a perfectly efficient market all entries can make the same profit on a given investment at the same level of risk and time horizon. There’s nothing inefficient about a market having a risk premium etc.

Re: The microstructure of wealth transfer in prediction markets

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How do prediction markets account for interest rates? I feel like I should be willing to pay no more than ~96 cents for a contract that will definitely resolve to a dollar in a year. Who puts up the other 4 cents?

Interest on open positions. Polymarket pays about 4.00% annualized holding rewards on eligible markets/positions (not all). Kalshi pays about 3.25% APY on cash plus open positions (collateral).

Edit to add that on non eligible markets your theory is correct, for example: https://polymarket.com/event/will-jesus-christ-return-before...

Re: The microstructure of wealth transfer in prediction markets

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post #14

This article lacks even the most basic understanding of probability and statistics. Slot machines "93 cents on the dollar" return is a statistical certainty of 7% loss. You are playing a repeated game which by the law of large numbers will converge to the 93% probability. In prediction markets if the markets are fully efficiently priced, in the absence of transaction costs you WILL get 100% back in the long run. Slot…

Do you work for a prediction market or do you participate in one?

Re: The microstructure of wealth transfer in prediction markets

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To me this is all the more reason to get regulatory gatekeeping out of the financial markets

If the odds in some financial products are worse than gambling while everyone can access gambling, then people should stop making a distinction under the guise of protecting investors

it just drives investors to actual gambling because they cant get the exposure they were already looking for

Re: The microstructure of wealth transfer in prediction markets

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post #16

I wonder how much of the activity on prediction markets these days is competing LLM scripts? I would guess the overlap in prediction market punters and AI boomers is high.

It'd be a good way to lose money at the moment. Probably not too far off in the future it would make sense though

Would you like to bet on that? :)

Re: The microstructure of wealth transfer in prediction markets

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I'm a little confused by the "Yes" versus "No" asymmetry. For example, one of the top trending ~~bets~~ markets right now is on whether Miami or Indiana will win the NCAA football championship tonight. You can either take "Yes" on Indiana at 74c, or "No" at 27c, or you can take "Yes" on Miami at 27c or "No" at 74c. Or, there's another potential outcome - you can also bet on a tie at 10c yes/91c no. Is this research s…

Part of this perceived arbitrage is the fee structure. Kalshi has a weird transaction cost structure but taking advantage of that 1c arb probably costs you 2c in fees to Kalshi, so nobody does it.

Re: The microstructure of wealth transfer in prediction markets

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To me this is all the more reason to get regulatory gatekeeping out of the financial markets If the odds in some financial products are worse than gambling while everyone can access gambling, then people should stop making a distinction under the guise of protecting investors it just drives investors to actual gambling because they cant get the exposure they were already looking for

> it just drives investors to actual gambling because they cant get the exposure they were already looking for

This argument gets trotted out by Wall Street every decade or so, usually under the guise of "democratising" some piece of finance. It's almost always bunk.

Most investment capital is looking for safe returns. It's not competing with gambling. Even within the high-risk end of finance, the game is in turning that high risk into above-market but predictable returns through portfolio mechanics. (Fuckups aside, you can't generally portfolio mechanic your way out of the negative expectated value of a lottery ticket.)

More simply: the notion that we need to increase risk and profitiabilty for intermediaries in investments to keep people from gamblig is a false economy. Gamblers are seeking a different thrill from what financial markets are designed to provide. To the degree we have a problem, it's in letting our markets look more like casinos.

> exposure they were already looking for

Broadly speaking, if you want exposure to the economy you're investing. If you want exposure to a number that goes up, you're gambling. This is an overly-simplistic delineation. But it works for first-order estimates.

Re: The microstructure of wealth transfer in prediction markets

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post #16

I wonder how much of the activity on prediction markets these days is competing LLM scripts? I would guess the overlap in prediction market punters and AI boomers is high.

It'd be a good way to lose money at the moment. Probably not too far off in the future it would make sense though

LLM-superforecaster parity projected to late 2026 (and LLMs now outperform non-expert public participants) according to https://forecastingresearch.substack.com/p/ai-llm-forecastin...
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