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Re: Dead Internet Theory

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Post by wongarsu »

thfuran wrote: post #422
hayleox wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is so irritating that people now think you've used an LLM just because you use nice typography. I've been using en dashes a ton (and em dashes sporadically) since long before ChatGPT came around. My writing style belonged to me first—why should I have to change? If you have the Compose key [1] enabled on your computer, the keyboard sequence is pretty easy: `Compose - - -` (and for en dash, it's `Compose - - .`). T…

How do you find yourself using en dashes more than em dashes?

Not OP, but I find the space-en-space convention easier to read than the nospace-em-nospace convention. American style guides prefer the latter – in my eyes they are wrong about that

Re: Dead Internet Theory

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Post by spicyusername »

seiferteric wrote: post #116

My parents were tricked the other day by a fake youtube video of "racist cop" doing something bad and getting outraged by it. I watch part of the video and even though it felt off I couldn't immediately tell for sure if it was fake or not. Nevertheless I googled the names and details and found nothing but repostings of the video. Then I looked at the youtube channel info and there it said it uses AI for "some" of the…

    divisiveness this kind of stuff will create
I'm pretty sure we're already decades in to the world of "has created".

Everyone I know has strong opinions on every little thing, based exclusively their emotional reactions and feed consumption. Basically no one has the requisite expertise commensurate with their conviction, but being informed is not required to be opinionated or exasperated.

And who can blame them (us). It is almost impossible to escape the constant barrage of takes and news headlines these days without being a total luddite. And each little snippet worms its way into your brain (and well being) one way or the other.

It's just been too much for too long and you can tell.

Re: Dead Internet Theory

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Post by fullstop »

gwd wrote: post #445
LexiMax wrote: post #174

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I'm in multiple Discord servers with people I know IRL. In fact, I'd say it's probably the easiest way to bootstrap a community around a friend-group.

Is this a generational thing? All my groups of this type are on WhatsApp (unfortunately).

Yes. Whatsapp requires a phone number and Discord does not. The tweens who do not have a phone yet can join Discord with their siblings / friends.

The other part of this is that Discord has official University hubs, so the college kids are all in there. You need an email address from that Univeristy to join: https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/4406046651927-...

Re: Dead Internet Theory

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Post by rkomorn »

wongarsu wrote: post #521
thfuran wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you find yourself using en dashes more than em dashes?

Not OP, but I find the space-en-space convention easier to read than the nospace-em-nospace convention. American style guides prefer the latter – in my eyes they are wrong about that

They're wrong about preferring the style you find easier to read?

Did you mean American style guides prefer the latter?

Re: Dead Internet Theory

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Post by wongarsu »

rkomorn wrote: post #524
wongarsu wrote: post #521

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not OP, but I find the space-en-space convention easier to read than the nospace-em-nospace convention. American style guides prefer the latter – in my eyes they are wrong about that

They're wrong about preferring the style you find easier to read? Did you mean American style guides prefer the latter?

brain fart, fixed

Re: Dead Internet Theory

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Post by account42 »

ggm wrote: post #382
account42 wrote: post #373

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If AI generated content uses it significantly more than the average person then it is a machine signifier, even if some humans also use it.

It could add to a weighted score. That's about as far as I'd go personally.

I'd say it depends on the situation and what the cost of false positives/negatives are for it. When you are looking at a practically infinite list of things to read and are looking to filter out AI garbage as not worth reading then filtering out the occasional typographical nerd is not that much of a problem.

Re: Dead Internet Theory

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Post by Okawari »

tomaskafka wrote: post #487
lrvick wrote: post #465

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If there are ad incentives, assume all content is fake by default. On the actual open decentralized internet, which still exists, mastodon, IRC, matrix... bots are rare.

That’s not because it’s decentralized or open, it’s because it doesn’t matter. If it was larger or more important, it would get run over by bots in weeks. Any platform that wants to resist bots need to - tie personas to real or expensive identities - force people to add AI flag to AI content - let readers filter content not marked as AI - and be absolutely ruthless in permabanning anyone who posts AI content unmarked…

It's never going to happen, but I felt we solved all of this with forums and IRC back in the day. I wish we gravitated towards that kind of internet again.

Group sizes were smaller and as such easier to moderate. There could be plenty of similar interest forums which meant even if you pissed of some mods, there were always other forums. Invite only groups that recruited from larger forums (or even trusted members only sections on the same forum) were good at filtering out low value posters.

There were bots, but they were not as big of a problem. The message amplification was smaller, and it was probably harder to ban evade.

Re: Dead Internet Theory

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Post by Sharlin »

nicbou wrote: post #321
fallinditch wrote: post #211

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A giveaway for detecting AI-generated text is the use of em-dashes, as noted in op - you are caught bang to rights!

Some keyboards and operating systems — iOS is one of them — convert two dashes into an emdash.

And macOS, at least my keyboard layout, has both en and em dashes easily typeable with Alt+- and Alt+Shift+- respectively.

Re: Dead Internet Theory

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Post by roody15 »

The amount of AI narrated videos on Youtube is seriously alarming. This is like Blade Runner level dystopian at this point. With AI help once you go down a rabbit hole you can just stay there indefinately with a never ending supply of AI generated content. Shades of truth or not doesn't seem to matter.

Re: Dead Internet Theory

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Post by gooob »

spicyusername wrote: post #522
seiferteric wrote: post #116

My parents were tricked the other day by a fake youtube video of "racist cop" doing something bad and getting outraged by it. I watch part of the video and even though it felt off I couldn't immediately tell for sure if it was fake or not. Nevertheless I googled the names and details and found nothing but repostings of the video. Then I looked at the youtube channel info and there it said it uses AI for "some" of the…

divisiveness this kind of stuff will create I'm pretty sure we're already decades in to the world of "has created". Everyone I know has strong opinions on every little thing, based exclusively their emotional reactions and feed consumption. Basically no one has the requisite expertise commensurate with their conviction, but being informed is not required to be opinionated or exasperated. And who can blame them (us).…

it's malware in the mind. it was happening before deep fakes was possible. news outlets and journalists have always had incentive to present extreme takes to get people angry, cause that sells. now we have tools that pretty much just accelerate and automate that process. it's interesting. it would be helpful to figure out how to prevent people (especially upcoming generations) from getting swept away by all this.
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