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Re: Wikipedia: WikiProject AI Cleanup

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The Sanderson wiki [1] has a time-travel feature where you read a snapshot just before a publication of a book, ensuring no spoilers. I would like a similar pre-LLM Wikipedia snapshot. Sometimes I would prefer potentially stale or incomplete info rather than have to wade through slop. 1: https://coppermind.net/wiki/Coppermind:Welcome

Have you personally encountered slop there? I tend to use Wikipedia rabbit holes as a pastime and haven’t really felt a difference.

Re: Wikipedia: WikiProject AI Cleanup

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I think that's a general guideline to identify "propaganda", regardless of the source. I've seen people in person write such statements with their own hands/fingers, and I know many people who speak like that (shockingly, most of them are in management). Lots of those points seems to get into the same idea which seems like a good balance. It's the language itself that is problematic, not how the text itself came to b…

Wikipedia already has very detailed guidelines on how text on Wikipedia should look, which address many of these problems.[1] For example, take a look at its advice on "puffery"[2]: "Peacock example: Bob Dylan is the defining figure of the 1960s counterculture and a brilliant songwriter. Just the facts: Dylan was included in Time's 100: The Most Important People of the Century, in which he was called "master poet, ca…

Right, but unless you have a specific page about "This is how to treat AI texts", people will (if they haven't already) bombard you with "This text is so obviously AI written, do something" and by having a specific page to answer to those, you can just link that instead of general "Here's how text on Wikipedia should be" guidelines. Being more specific sometimes helps people understand better :)

Re: Wikipedia: WikiProject AI Cleanup

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There was a paper recently about using LLMs to find contradictions in Wikipedia, i.e. claims on the same page or between pages which appear to be mutually incompatible.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2509.23233

I wonder if something more came out of that.

Either way, I think that generation of article text is the least useful and interesting way to use AI on Wikipedia. It's much better to do things like this paper did.

Re: Wikipedia: WikiProject AI Cleanup

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Didn't they just sells access to all the AI giants?

They sold AI giants enterprise downloads in order for them not to hammer Wikimedia's infrastructure by downloading bulk data the usual way available to everyone else. You really have to twist the truth to turn it into something bad for any of the sides.

Re: Wikipedia: WikiProject AI Cleanup

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Isn't having a source the only thing that should be required. Why is AI speak bad?

I'm a embarrassed to be associated with US Millennials who are anti AI.

No one cares if you tie your legs together and finish a marathon in 12 hours. Just finish it in 3. Its more impressive.

EDIT:

I suppose people missed the first sentence:

>Isn't having a source the only thing that should be required.

>Isn't having a source the only thing that should be required.

>Isn't having a source the only thing that should be required.

Re: Wikipedia: WikiProject AI Cleanup

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post #8

The Sanderson wiki [1] has a time-travel feature where you read a snapshot just before a publication of a book, ensuring no spoilers. I would like a similar pre-LLM Wikipedia snapshot. Sometimes I would prefer potentially stale or incomplete info rather than have to wade through slop. 1: https://coppermind.net/wiki/Coppermind:Welcome

The easiest way to get this is probably Kiwix. You can download a ~100GB file containing all of English Wikipedia as of a particular date, then browse it locally offline. I'm not sure if it's real or not, but the Internet Archive has a listing claiming to be the dump from May 2022: https://archive.org/details/wikipedia_en_all_maxi_2022-05

Alternatively, straight from Wikimedia, those are the dumps I'm using, trivial to parse concurrently and easy format to parse too, multistream-xml in bz2. Latest dump (text only) is from 2026-01-01 and weights 24.1 GB. https://dumps.wikimedia.org/enwiki/20260101/ Also have splits together with indexes, so you can grab few sections you want, if 24GB is too large.

Re: Wikipedia: WikiProject AI Cleanup

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WP:BOLD and start your own project to do it.

Or be extra bold, and have an AI bot handle the forum politics associated with being allowed to make nontrivial changes.

Great way to get banned :)

I've made a bunch of nontrivial changes (+- 1000s of characters), none of them seems to have been reverted, never asked for permission, I just went ahead and did it. Maybe the topics I care about are so non-controversial no one actually seen it?

Re: Wikipedia: WikiProject AI Cleanup

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Isn't having a source the only thing that should be required. Why is AI speak bad? I'm a embarrassed to be associated with US Millennials who are anti AI. No one cares if you tie your legs together and finish a marathon in 12 hours. Just finish it in 3. Its more impressive. EDIT: I suppose people missed the first sentence: >Isn't having a source the only thing that should be required. >Isn't having a source the only…

> Why is AI speak bad

It's not inherently bad, but if something was written with AI the chances that it is low effort crap are much much much higher than if someone actually spent time and effort on it.

Re: Wikipedia: WikiProject AI Cleanup

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It may be that AI made Wikipedia worse (I have no idea), but Wikipedia itself made several changes in the last 5 years which I hate. The "temporary account" annoys me; the strange side bars that are now the new default also annoy me. Yes, they can be hidden, but why are they shown by default? I never want them; I don't want to use them either. And some discussion pages can not be modified either - I understand that main articles can not so easily be changed, but now discussion pages as well? This happened to me on a few pages, in particular for "ongoing events". Well, I don't even visit ongoing events at a later time usually, so I give feedback or I WANT to give feedback, then I move on. With that changed policy, I can now skip bothering giving any feedback, so Wikipedia becomes less interesting as I give feedback on the QUALITY - what to improve. And so forth. It is really sad how different people can worsen the quality of a project such as Wikipedia. Wikipedia is still good, but it was better, say, 6 years ago.
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