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Re: Wikipedia: WikiProject AI Cleanup

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

An interesting observation from that page: "Thus the highly specific "inventor of the first train-coupling device" might become "a revolutionary titan of industry." It is like shouting louder and louder that a portrait shows a uniquely important person, while the portrait itself is fading from a sharp photograph into a blurry, generic sketch. The subject becomes simultaneously less specific and more exaggerated."

That's actually putting into words, what I couldn't, but felt similar. Spectacular quote

I'm thinking quite a bit about this at the moment in the context of foundational models and their inherent (?) regression to the mean.

Recently there has been a big push into geospatial foundation models (e.g. Google AlphaEarth, IBM Terramind, Clay).

These take in vast amounts of satellite data and with the usual Autoencoder architecture try and build embedding spaces which contain meaningful semantic features.

The issue at the moment is that in the benchmark suites (https://github.com/VMarsocci/pangaea-bench), only a few of these foundation models have recently started to surpass the basic U-Net in some of the tasks.

There's also an observation by one of the authors of the Major-TOM model, which also provides satellite input data to train models, that the scale rule does not seem to hold for geospatial foundation models, in that more data does not seem to result in better models.

My (completely unsupported) theory on why that is, is that unlike writing or coding, in satellite data you are often looking for the needle in the haystack. You do not want what has been done thousands of times before and was proven to work. Segmenting out forests and water? Sure, easy. These models have seen millions of examples of forests and water. But most often we are interested in things that are much, much rarer. Flooding, Wildfire, Earthquakes, Landslides, Destroyed buildings, new Airstrips in the Amazon, etc. etc.. But as I see it, the currently used frameworks do not support that very well.

But I'd be curious how others see this, who might be more knowledgeable in the area.

Re: Wikipedia: WikiProject AI Cleanup

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I found the page Wikipedia:Signs of AI Writing[1] very interesting and informative. It goes into a lot more detail than the typical "em-dashes" heuristic. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signs_of_AI_writing

An interesting observation from that page: "Thus the highly specific "inventor of the first train-coupling device" might become "a revolutionary titan of industry." It is like shouting louder and louder that a portrait shows a uniquely important person, while the portrait itself is fading from a sharp photograph into a blurry, generic sketch. The subject becomes simultaneously less specific and more exaggerated."

Outstanding. Praise wikipedia, despite any shortcomings wow, isn't it such a breath of fresh air in the world of 2026.

Re: Wikipedia: WikiProject AI Cleanup

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I found the page Wikipedia:Signs of AI Writing[1] very interesting and informative. It goes into a lot more detail than the typical "em-dashes" heuristic. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signs_of_AI_writing

Ironically this is a goldmine for AI labs and AI writer startups to do RL and fine-tuning.

Re: Wikipedia: WikiProject AI Cleanup

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The Sanderson wiki [1] has a time-travel feature where you read a snapshot just before a publication of a book, ensuring no spoilers. I would like a similar pre-LLM Wikipedia snapshot. Sometimes I would prefer potentially stale or incomplete info rather than have to wade through slop. 1: https://coppermind.net/wiki/Coppermind:Welcome

The easiest way to get this is probably Kiwix. You can download a ~100GB file containing all of English Wikipedia as of a particular date, then browse it locally offline.

I'm not sure if it's real or not, but the Internet Archive has a listing claiming to be the dump from May 2022: https://archive.org/details/wikipedia_en_all_maxi_2022-05

Re: Wikipedia: WikiProject AI Cleanup

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

An interesting observation from that page: "Thus the highly specific "inventor of the first train-coupling device" might become "a revolutionary titan of industry." It is like shouting louder and louder that a portrait shows a uniquely important person, while the portrait itself is fading from a sharp photograph into a blurry, generic sketch. The subject becomes simultaneously less specific and more exaggerated."

I think that's a general guideline to identify "propaganda", regardless of the source. I've seen people in person write such statements with their own hands/fingers, and I know many people who speak like that (shockingly, most of them are in management). Lots of those points seems to get into the same idea which seems like a good balance. It's the language itself that is problematic, not how the text itself came to b…

Wikipedia already has very detailed guidelines on how text on Wikipedia should look, which address many of these problems.[1] For example, take a look at its advice on "puffery"[2]:

"Peacock example:

Bob Dylan is the defining figure of the 1960s counterculture and a brilliant songwriter.

Just the facts:

Dylan was included in Time's 100: The Most Important People of the Century, in which he was called "master poet, caustic social critic and intrepid, guiding spirit of the counterculture generation". By the mid-1970s, his songs had been covered by hundreds of other artists."

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Word...

Re: Wikipedia: WikiProject AI Cleanup

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I found the page Wikipedia:Signs of AI Writing[1] very interesting and informative. It goes into a lot more detail than the typical "em-dashes" heuristic. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signs_of_AI_writing

Ironically this is a goldmine for AI labs and AI writer startups to do RL and fine-tuning.

In the case of those big 'foundation models': Fine-tune for whom and how? I doubt it is possible to fine-tune things like this in a way that satisfies all audiences and training set instances. Much of this is probably due to the training set itself containing a lot of propaganda (advertising) or just bad style.

Re: Wikipedia: WikiProject AI Cleanup

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Signed up to help.

On PickiPedia (bluegrass wiki - pickipedia.xyz), we've developed a mediawiki extension / middleware that works as an MCP server, and causes all of the contributions from the AI in question to appear as partially grayed out, with a "verify" button. A human can then verify and either confirm the provided source or supply their own.

It started as a fork of a mediawiki MCP server.

It works pretty nicely.

Of course it's only viable in situations where the operator of the LLM is willing to comply / be transparent about that use. So it doesn't address the bulk of the problem on WikiPedia.

But still might be interesting to some:

https://github.com/magent-cryptograss/pickipedia-mcp

Re: Wikipedia: WikiProject AI Cleanup

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically this is a goldmine for AI labs and AI writer startups to do RL and fine-tuning.

In the case of those big 'foundation models': Fine-tune for whom and how? I doubt it is possible to fine-tune things like this in a way that satisfies all audiences and training set instances. Much of this is probably due to the training set itself containing a lot of propaganda (advertising) or just bad style.

I'm pretty sure Mistral is doing fine tuning for their enterprise clients. OpenAI and Anthropic are probably not?

I'm more thinking about startups for fine-tuning.

Re: Wikipedia: WikiProject AI Cleanup

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I found the page Wikipedia:Signs of AI Writing[1] very interesting and informative. It goes into a lot more detail than the typical "em-dashes" heuristic. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signs_of_AI_writing

This is so much detailed and everyone who is sick of reading generated text should read this.

I had a bad experience at a shitty airport, went to google maps to leave a bad review, and found that its rating was 4.7 by many thousand people. Knowing that airport is run by corrupt government, I started reading those super positive reviews and the other older reviews by them. People who could barely manage few coherent sentences of English are now writing multiple paragraphs about history and vital importance of that airport in that region.

Reading first section "Undue emphasis on significance" those fake reviews is all I can think of.

Re: Wikipedia: WikiProject AI Cleanup

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I wish they also spent on the reverse: automatic rephrasing of the (many) obscure and very poorly worded and/or with no neutral tone whatsoever. And I say that as a general Wikipedia fan.

WP:BOLD and start your own project to do it.

Or be extra bold, and have an AI bot handle the forum politics associated with being allowed to make nontrivial changes.
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