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Re: Dead Internet Theory

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Post by weregiraffe »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #267
WD-42 wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a dystopia for me. I’m a cyclist that’s been hit by 3 cars. I believe we will look back at the time when we allowed emotional and easily distracted meat bags behind the wheels of fast moving multiple ton kinetic weapons for what it is: barbarism.

That is not really a defensible position. Most drivers don't ever hit someone with their car. There is nothing "barbaric" about the system we have with cars. Imperfect, sure. But not barbaric.

>Most drivers don't ever hit someone with their car.

Accidents Georg, who lives in a windowless car ans hits someone over 10,000 times each day, is an outlier and should not have been counted

Re: Dead Internet Theory

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Post by bee_rider »

kelvie wrote: post #261
fsckboy wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that sounds like one of the worst heuristics I've ever heard, worse than "em-dash=ai" (em-dash equals ai to the illiterate class, who don't know what they are talking about on any subject and who also don't use em-dashes, but literate people do use em-dashes and also know what they are talking about. this is called the Dunning-Em-Dash Effect, where "dunning" refers to the payback of intellectual deficit whereas the i…

Of note is theother terrible heuristic I've seen thrown around, where "emojis = AI", and now the "if you use not X, but Y = AI".

Em-dashes are completely innocent. “Not X but Y” is some lame rhetorical device, I’m glad it is catching strays.

Re: Dead Internet Theory

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Post by eks391 »

lucumo wrote: post #269
fallinditch wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A giveaway for detecting AI-generated text is the use of em-dashes, as noted in op - you are caught bang to rights!

Not long ago, a statistical study found that AI almost always has an 'e' in its output. It is a firm indicator of AI slop. If you catch a post with an 'e', pay it no mind: it's probably AI. Uh-oh. Caught you. Bang to rights! That post is firmly AI. Bad. Nobody should mind your robot posts.

I'm incredibly impressed that you managed to make that whole message without a single usage of the most frequently used letter, except in your quotations.

Re: Dead Internet Theory

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Post by happosai »

pants2 wrote: post #106

Are there any social media sites where AI is effectively banned? I know it's not an easy problem but I haven't seen a site even try yet. There's a ton of things you can do to make it harder for bots, ie analyze image metadata, users' keyboard and mouse actions, etc.

There are mastodon communities such https://mastodon.art/ where AI is explicitly banned.

Re: Dead Internet Theory

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Post by TiredOfLife »

seiferteric wrote: post #116

My parents were tricked the other day by a fake youtube video of "racist cop" doing something bad and getting outraged by it. I watch part of the video and even though it felt off I couldn't immediately tell for sure if it was fake or not. Nevertheless I googled the names and details and found nothing but repostings of the video. Then I looked at the youtube channel info and there it said it uses AI for "some" of the…

You don't need AI for that.

https://youtu.be/xiYZ__Ww02c

Re: Dead Internet Theory

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Post by bhaak »

kelvie wrote: post #261
fsckboy wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that sounds like one of the worst heuristics I've ever heard, worse than "em-dash=ai" (em-dash equals ai to the illiterate class, who don't know what they are talking about on any subject and who also don't use em-dashes, but literate people do use em-dashes and also know what they are talking about. this is called the Dunning-Em-Dash Effect, where "dunning" refers to the payback of intellectual deficit whereas the i…

Of note is theother terrible heuristic I've seen thrown around, where "emojis = AI", and now the "if you use not X, but Y = AI".

With the right context both are pretty good actually.

I think the emoji one is most pronounced in bullet point lists. AI loves to add an emoji to bullet points. I guess they got it from lists in hip GitHub projects.

The other one is not as strong but if the "not X but Y" is somewhat nonsensical or unnecessary this is very strong indicator it's AI.

Re: Dead Internet Theory

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Post by throwaway290 »

lucumo wrote: post #269
fallinditch wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A giveaway for detecting AI-generated text is the use of em-dashes, as noted in op - you are caught bang to rights!

Not long ago, a statistical study found that AI almost always has an 'e' in its output. It is a firm indicator of AI slop. If you catch a post with an 'e', pay it no mind: it's probably AI. Uh-oh. Caught you. Bang to rights! That post is firmly AI. Bad. Nobody should mind your robot posts.

Finally a human in this forum. Many moons did I long for this contact.

(Assuming you did actually hand craft that I thumbs-up both your humor and industry good sir)

Re: Dead Internet Theory

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Post by skipants »

makingstuffs wrote: post #120

Think the notion that ‘no one’ uses em dashes is a bit misguided. I’ve personally used them in text for as long as I can remember. Also on the phrase “you’re absolute right”, it’s definitely a phrase my friends and I use a lot, albeit in a sorta of sarcastic manner when one of us says something which is obvious but, nonetheless, we use it. We also tend to use “Well, you’re not wrong” again in a sarcastic manner for s…

I'm pretty sure the OP is talking about this thread. I have it top of mind because I participated and was extremely frustrated about, not just the AI slop, but how much the author claimed not to use AI when they obviously used it.

You can read it yourself if you'd like: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46589386

It was not just the em dashes and the "absolutely right!" It was everything together, including the robotic clarifying question at the end of their comments.

Re: Dead Internet Theory

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Post by krige »

amarant wrote: post #221

> The notorious “you are absolutely right”, which no living human ever used before, at least not that I know of If no human ever used that phrase, I wonder where the ai's learned it from? Have they invented new mannerisms? That seems to imply they're far more capable than I thought they were

There are many phrases that exist solely in fiction.

Re: Dead Internet Theory

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Post by Lammy »

> which on most keyboard require a special key-combination that most people don’t know

I am sick of the em-dash slander as a prolific en- and em-dash user :(

Sure for the general population most people probably don't know, but this article is specifically about Hacker News and I would trust most of you all to be able to remember one of:

- Compose, hyphen, hyphen, hyphen

- Option + Shift + hyphen

(Windows Alt code not mentioned because WinCompose https://github.com/ell1010/wincompose>)

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