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The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Many in Norway and Sweden distanced themselves from the Nobel Peace Prize at the time it was awarded to Machado because it was obvious it was such a bad decision. Julian Assange even filed a criminal complaint in Sweden last month to try to stop the Swedish Nobel Foundation paying out over $1 million dollars to her, arguing it's going against Alfred Nobel's will, and they have a responsibility to respect his will. He…

To be fair, it's not the first extremely questionable Nobel Peace Prize award, for example, Henry Kissinger. While not nearly as egregious, Barack Obama was a bizarre choice, too.

I cannot recall Obama doing one single thing for peace internationally? Which conflict did he help stop?

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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They should do something like FIFA does.

The winning team lifts the original 1974 Fifa World Cup made of 18k gold during the cerimony and then as soon as they get in the locker room an exchange is made and the winning team receives a bronze copy of the trophy plated in gold.

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Are you saying that bombing multiple countries for little to no reason, trying to force a regime change in Venezuela, and threatening to steal Greenland by force isn’t peaceful????

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In his defense, he got it before he did any of that. Before he did much of anything except get elected, really. Which was apparently sufficient.

(Everyone, including Obama, was pretty flummoxed by that prize.)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying that bombing multiple countries for little to no reason, trying to force a regime change in Venezuela, and threatening to steal Greenland by force isn’t peaceful????

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No, Kissinger was far, far worse than any other recipient of the peace prize.

Quote from Gary Bass, professor of politics and international affairs at Princeton University and author of "The Blood Telegram: Nixon, Kissinger, and a Forgotten Genocide:"

"In at least one crucial part of the world, Kissinger’s legacy is fixed: In South Asia, Indians and Bangladeshis widely remember Kissinger as an unusually cruel and cold-hearted person. As they bitterly recall, he and Richard Nixon firmly supported Pakistan’s military dictatorship throughout its bloody crackdown in 1971 on what today is Bangladesh, sending some 10 million Bengali refugees fleeing into India. In one of the worst atrocities of the Cold War, Pakistan’s junta brushed aside the results of a democratic election, killed awful numbers of Bengalis and targeted the Hindu minority among the Bengalis. (Bangladesh is now the eight-largest country in the world, with a population larger than Russia or Japan, as well as a major Muslim country with considerable strategic importance in South Asia.) On the White House tapes, Kissinger sneered at Americans who “bleed” for “the dying Bengalis.”

"Kissinger’s actions in 1971 were clouded by his own ignorance about South Asia, his emotional misjudgments and his stoking of Nixon’s racism toward Indians. Kissinger’s policies were not only morally flawed but also disastrous as Cold War strategy. As U.S. government officials presciently warned him, a Pakistani crackdown would result in a futile civil war with India sponsoring the Bengali guerrillas, creating the conditions for Soviet-backed India to rip Pakistan in two—a strategic defeat for the United States and a strategic victory for the Soviet Union. And don’t forget that Kissinger knowingly violated U.S. law in allowing secret arms transfers to Pakistan during the India-Pakistan war in December 1971. Despite warnings from White House staffers and State Department and Pentagon lawyers that such arms transfers were illegal, Nixon and Kissinger went ahead, with Kissinger saying that doing so was “against our law”—a scandal of a piece with an overall pattern of lawlessness that culminated with Watergate."

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Fun fact, Oscar winners don't fully own their statues since 1950. AMPAS reserves the right to buy it back for $1 if they want to sell it. Ownership of the statue is conditional, meaning it can't be freely sold or disposed of.

can it be rented out?

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It's such a joke that we're even having to discuss this. Has there ever been such a thin-skinned, self-absorbed leader of a major power before? Even his biggest fans have to admit, if only to themselves, that he acts like a toddler.

The current prime minister of India once announced that he has Ph.D. in "all of the political science". Asked for proof, they produced his degree from Delhi University. No one who got their degree at that place during that time can't recall seeing him in the classroom! But that's nothing compared to this man. I usually avoid his news but seeing him grabbing fifa peace price wasn't a good sight.

A now-deleted reply challenged this claim, so I went to search, and it seems to be a melange of three different facts?

Narendra Modi is said to hold a BA awarded by Delhi University in 1978 (or possibly 1979?). The veracity of that has been disputed.

He is also said to hold an MA awarded by Gujarat University in 1983, where the provided exam transcript[1] marks him “external” (i.e. remote) and includes the curious phrase “entire political science”. The veracity of that has been disputed as well.

Finally, he was offered[2] a honorary doctorate (of what, I haven’t been able to ascertain) by Southern University in Louisiana in 2014, but declined.

(I haven’t been able to find any references to him claiming to hold a PhD in English-language sources.)

[1] http://www.gujaratuniversity.org.in/web/NWD/NewsEvents/2000_...

[2] https://wwwcfprd.doa.louisiana.gov/boardsAndCommissions/Meet...

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Sloppy seconds seems to be his thing. I can't imagine being somebody who voted for him and thinking this is what an "alpha" man does, bitch and moan about prizes and recognition instead of actually doing things of value. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a large cohort of people who never admit they voted for Trump in the future out of embarrassment.

I try to talk to Trump voters to understand. I suggest you try as well if you're curious about this stuff. N = a dozen or so, but ones I've talked to care more about his actual political stances, like his white nationalist policies above all else. They see this stuff as entertainment and laugh with Trump as he makes these long established institutions bend to his will.

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What does Jimmy Kimmel have to do with anything? Plus, citation needed.

YouTube videos are not citations. Just went looking for the video and couldn't find it thanks to YT's useless search function. I was forced to endure ten minutes of his hack journalism. More proof he is a mouth for hire. He said the exact opposite about FIFA when they gave Trump a peace prize.
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