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Meteor releases authentication, accounts system, and new screencast

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Re: Meteor releases authentication, accounts system, and new screencast

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Post by hbbio »

Cogito wrote: post #15
hbbio wrote: post #10

"Meteor 0.5.0, available today, allows you to write secure realtime client-server applications in pure JavaScript. It's the only system of its kind in the world." That's an outright lie. cf. http://opalang.org

Just curious, as I don't know enough about the two, what makes Opa similar enough to Meteor that the claim "[Meteor is] the only system of its kind in the world" is an outright lie?

The "only system of its kind" seemed broad enough to include Opa, which generates pure JS.

Re: Meteor releases authentication, accounts system, and new screencast

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Post by schiffern »

hbbio wrote: post #10

"Meteor 0.5.0, available today, allows you to write secure realtime client-server applications in pure JavaScript. It's the only system of its kind in the world." That's an outright lie. cf. http://opalang.org

Apparently no one noticed that Derby.js has been able to integrate with Everyauth for over a month: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/derbyjs/7VWTclIBEw8/LsOiuvfz...

Derby vs. Meteor (by Derby): http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3842525

Full disclosure: I'm not a Derby contributor. I just played with it for some rapid prototyping.

Re: Meteor releases authentication, accounts system, and new screencast

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Post by mattwdelong »

hbbio wrote: post #10

"Meteor 0.5.0, available today, allows you to write secure realtime client-server applications in pure JavaScript. It's the only system of its kind in the world." That's an outright lie. cf. http://opalang.org

What about nowjs? http://nowjs.com/

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Post by amix »

Basing this on the screencast I think this looks amazing and they seem to be very productive. This said, I am unsure if this would produce codebases that are easier to maintain, since there is not a clear separation of concerns and everything seems to be connected. I think doing client-side JavaScript is hard and messy (even with Backbone or Ember) I could not imagine this would be any easier if I had to handle the backend on the client-side as well (especially a backend that's updated in realtime).

This said, maybe the current struggle of the client side is because the data is on the backend and needs to be fetched, updated and handled using a client-server model. With Meteror the data seems to live on the client-side which maybe makes things easier.

Re: Meteor releases authentication, accounts system, and new screencast

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Post by davidlumley »

While I'm not confident that being this tightly coupled to MongoDB is a great (or even a good) idea, I'm really glad to see Meteor get closer to 1.0 especially seeing as it's not another Rails clone.

The other concern I have is how testable is a meteor/derby codebase? I don't think I could commit to using something in a team environment without being able to _easily_ test things.

Re: Meteor releases authentication, accounts system, and new screencast

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Post by dreamdu5t »

hbbio wrote: post #10

"Meteor 0.5.0, available today, allows you to write secure realtime client-server applications in pure JavaScript. It's the only system of its kind in the world." That's an outright lie. cf. http://opalang.org

Yeah Derby was doing what Meteor did months before Meteor was started.
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