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The 'untouchable hacker god' behind Finland's biggest crime

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Re: The 'untouchable hacker god' behind Finland's biggest crime

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post #108

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Posthumous crime is the ultimate because the legal system is all about punishing the living until they are dead.

In a retributive just culture, yes. https://www.patientsafety.com/en/blog/human-error-retributiv...

If only human beings were good at learning from past mistakes. It requires multiple tries before we realize, fire bad, unless good, if controlled.

Re: The 'untouchable hacker god' behind Finland's biggest crime

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I find it strange to report on a hacker releasing personal information, while building the narrative of the story with all of the personal details like "she’d had three children by the time she was 25, including twins who had been born extremely prematurely in the 1980s, weighing only a few hundred grams each", "crumbling marriage", and suicidal ideations. I thought the whole point is that they were upset that their…

Maybe they agreed to those details being published.

Re: The 'untouchable hacker god' behind Finland's biggest crime

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Who’s the victim? The CEO? I think the patients are the victims here.

I'm not well versed in Finnish law - but in the USA simply the act of accessing a computer without authorization, even if it not secured, can be a crime under the CFAA. So the company is still a victim, and obviously the patients as well, even if they are incompetent. For the same reason that a person that gets burgled because they left their door unlocked when they left the house is still a victim.

But if you attest that your computer system is not accessible by any passersby in order to pass compliance, is that not also a crime? If it is indeed accessible to just anyone? HIPAA law violations and all that

I’m not arguing the person who stole didn’t commit a crime - just a lesser one than actually breaking in, cracking a safe, and making off with the jewels. I think the CEO and executive staff are culpable.

Re: The 'untouchable hacker god' behind Finland's biggest crime

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Julius Kivimäki was released pending the outcome of his appeal. https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/finnish-vastaamo-hacker-fre... The article cites "Ryan" as one of his aliases, so the id ryanlol commenting in this thread could plausibly be Kivimäki.

Could plausibly be, but there are many people using the name 'Ryan'. Maybe this one saw an opportunity to troll everyone.

Re: The 'untouchable hacker god' behind Finland's biggest crime

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> “absolutely everything” It isn’t absolutely everything, it’s for negligence. If you don’t have basics in place, like independent pen-tests, ISO 27001 audits — or some equivalent — when you’re handling clinical data, then that’s negligence. If a breach happens and you were seen to have followed best practice, you won’t be found criminally negligent. That is part of being an executive. The buck stops with you — if yo…

>if you’re an executive [...] you get the big bucks for a reason In Finland? Notably wage-compressed Finland? No comment on the specifics of this case, I agree with you that the executive should be where the buck stops. But you would be surprised how many various execs I have met here over the years who admit behind closed doors they really do treat it as a fancy job title that barely pays above their last position,…

> In Finland? Notably wage-compressed Finland?

It's all relative.

Re: The 'untouchable hacker god' behind Finland's biggest crime

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post #145

Julius Kivimäki was released pending the outcome of his appeal. https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/finnish-vastaamo-hacker-fre... The article cites "Ryan" as one of his aliases, so the id ryanlol commenting in this thread could plausibly be Kivimäki.

Could plausibly be, but there are many people using the name 'Ryan'. Maybe this one saw an opportunity to troll everyone.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40214049

Re: The 'untouchable hacker god' behind Finland's biggest crime

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Knowing the timeline of events and the nicknames attributed to him (ryanlol included), some interesting posts can be found. For example, in the period between the CEO starting communication (September 2020) and the clinic's public admission (October 2020) [1], ryanlol replied to a top comment (Oct 3, 2020): "If you’re a hospital or, say, a school district, 'never pay' is simply an unconscionable attitude" [2]. Isn't…

>Isn't it a hacker raging at the management that refuses to pay?

Nope

Re: The 'untouchable hacker god' behind Finland's biggest crime

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Technically, yes it is still burglary. It's an odd position to take, that a crime was not committed or the offense isn't as bad if the difficulties of committing the crime have been removed or reduced.

> odd position [...] offense isn't as bad if the difficulties of committing the crime have been removed or reduced Not really, intent is a part of the crime. If the barrier for crime is extremely small, the crime itself is less egregious. Planning a robbery is not the same as picking up a wallet on the sidewalk. This is a feature, not a bug.

What does "the crime is less egregious" even mean?

Morally, you burglarized a home.

Legally, at least in CA, the charge and sentencing are equivalent.

If someone also commits a murder while burglarizing you could argue the crime is more severe, but my response would be that they've committed two crimes, and the severity of the burglary in isolation is equivalent.

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