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The 'untouchable hacker god' behind Finland's biggest crime

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Re: The 'untouchable hacker god' behind Finland's biggest crime

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Post by prhn »

reactordev wrote: post #57
bigiain wrote: post #10

"the patient records database was accessible via the internet; there was no firewall and, perhaps most egregiously, it was secured with a blank password, so anyone could just press enter and open it" There _should_ be a bunch of people in jail for that. Including, but not limited to the CEO. It should also include all the people on the org chart between whoever set that database up and the CEO.

Exactly, was it a burglary when your front door is open, lights on, spotlights on your wall safe, with the keys still inserted? The CEO should be in prison.

Technically, yes it is still burglary.

It's an odd position to take, that a crime was not committed or the offense isn't as bad if the difficulties of committing the crime have been removed or reduced.

Re: The 'untouchable hacker god' behind Finland's biggest crime

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Post by quietbritishjim »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #60
reactordev wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly, was it a burglary when your front door is open, lights on, spotlights on your wall safe, with the keys still inserted? The CEO should be in prison.

>Exactly, was it a burglary when your front door is open Legally speaking, yes in every place I've ever lived if all those things are the case it's still a burglary, although the cops may call the victim an idiot.

In the UK, there is no crime "burglary".

"Breaking and entering" it's a criminal offence, and walking through an unlocked front door back door doesn't count. If you are on someone's land but didn't have to break in then that's trespass, which is just a civil offense.

Theft is a crime in any case (indeed even if you're not on their land e.g. snatching a phone off the street).

Re: The 'untouchable hacker god' behind Finland's biggest crime

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Post by reactordev »

prhn wrote: post #61
reactordev wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly, was it a burglary when your front door is open, lights on, spotlights on your wall safe, with the keys still inserted? The CEO should be in prison.

Technically, yes it is still burglary. It's an odd position to take, that a crime was not committed or the offense isn't as bad if the difficulties of committing the crime have been removed or reduced.

Now, how do we apply that to today’s current events?

Is it still a crime if the roadblocks to commit the crime are removed? Even applauded by some? What happens when the chief of police is telling you to go out and commit said crimes?

Law and order is dictated by the ruling party. What was a crime yesterday may not be a crime today.

So if all you did was turn a key and now you’re a burglar going to prison, when the CEO of the house spent months setting up the perfect crime scene, shouldn’t the CEO at least get an accomplice charge? Insurance fraud starts the same way…

Re: The 'untouchable hacker god' behind Finland's biggest crime

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Post by djohnston »

prhn wrote: post #61
reactordev wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly, was it a burglary when your front door is open, lights on, spotlights on your wall safe, with the keys still inserted? The CEO should be in prison.

Technically, yes it is still burglary. It's an odd position to take, that a crime was not committed or the offense isn't as bad if the difficulties of committing the crime have been removed or reduced.

It's a common attitude with people from low-trust societies. "I'm not a scammer - I'm clever. If you don't want us to scam your system why do you make it so easy?"

Re: The 'untouchable hacker god' behind Finland's biggest crime

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Post by reactordev »

djohnston wrote: post #64
prhn wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically, yes it is still burglary. It's an odd position to take, that a crime was not committed or the offense isn't as bad if the difficulties of committing the crime have been removed or reduced.

It's a common attitude with people from low-trust societies. "I'm not a scammer - I'm clever. If you don't want us to scam your system why do you make it so easy?"

Welcome to America

Re: The 'untouchable hacker god' behind Finland's biggest crime

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Post by wulfstan »

quietbritishjim wrote: post #62
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Exactly, was it a burglary when your front door is open Legally speaking, yes in every place I've ever lived if all those things are the case it's still a burglary, although the cops may call the victim an idiot.

In the UK, there is no crime "burglary". "Breaking and entering" it's a criminal offence, and walking through an unlocked front door back door doesn't count. If you are on someone's land but didn't have to break in then that's trespass, which is just a civil offense. Theft is a crime in any case (indeed even if you're not on their land e.g. snatching a phone off the street).

That is false. Burglary is a crime in the UK.

See https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/60/section/9 and https://www.cps.gov.uk/prosecution-guidance/theft-act-offenc...

Re: The 'untouchable hacker god' behind Finland's biggest crime

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Post by cluckindan »

nephihaha wrote: post #39
expedition32 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Harsh punishment doesn't change anything. Criminals are just stupid, mentally ill or in the most sad cases kids. In my country they actually do put away people for life and yet we still have crime.

Some criminals are neither stupid nor mentally ill. I suspect this man is neither although he could be a psychopath.

Watch some of his interviews.

Re: The 'untouchable hacker god' behind Finland's biggest crime

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Post by nkrisc »

galangalalgol wrote: post #59
nkrisc wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But this is not “absolutely everything”. No one is saying CEOs should be accountable for every action of an individual employee. So if not the CEO, who is accountable when something like this breach happens? The CTO? The PM The DBA? Nobody? Maybe they’ll care developer who wrote the code or botched the configuration should be prosecuted? CEOs can justify their pay be being accountable for what their company does. The…

When a bridge fails, it is the professional engineer that signed off on that part. If you want someone to sign off on software or IT you will need to pay them quite a lot.

Yes, I would expect compensation to increase proportionally with accountability. What makes no sense is compensation that increases irrespective of accountability.

Being the CEO of a company that handles risky, sensitive things should be risky for the CEO, personally. And their compensation can reflect that.

Re: The 'untouchable hacker god' behind Finland's biggest crime

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Post by rzmmm »

reactordev wrote: post #57
bigiain wrote: post #10

"the patient records database was accessible via the internet; there was no firewall and, perhaps most egregiously, it was secured with a blank password, so anyone could just press enter and open it" There _should_ be a bunch of people in jail for that. Including, but not limited to the CEO. It should also include all the people on the org chart between whoever set that database up and the CEO.

Exactly, was it a burglary when your front door is open, lights on, spotlights on your wall safe, with the keys still inserted? The CEO should be in prison.

Someone presented a hypothetical scenario: What if a hacker would write a virus, which breached a totally unprotected database after the hacker has passed away. It's clear that the therapy provider is at least partially responsible.
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