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Re: Cloudflare acquires Astro

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Post by pembrook »

css_apologist wrote: post #238
arjie wrote: post #166

Very nice to see these dev tools get an exit. e.g. I love `uv` and friends but did consider that perhaps dev tools are just a bad business and then no one will go into making that kind of stuff. Good exits means more of these tools. I have only used Astro for toy stuff but it seemed neat. Congrats to the team. EDIT: To put paid to the sidebar discussion below, yes I meant "for instance, consider `uv`; they might do t…

i'm interpreting this in the reverse if dev tools can only be "monetized" by being bought out, it does not feel sustainable on any level we will see companies attempt to do things like close source these projects, go subscription based, or just straight up drop support there is no incentives for cloudflare to make astro better, or even keep it around same goes with bun, svelte, and i'm sure countless others

Then we'll finally be getting the world we deserve.

Decades of VC cash has trained developers to never pay for anything that powers their entire career like dev tools. The assumption is you can always squeeze some rich business customer that employs the dev.

If AI kills hiring of software engineers, then there's less devs inside businesses to sell to. So we can either pay for the products we use directly, or not have them at all.

It will take a decade to shift penny pinching behavioral habits of devs but slowly over time the market will correct itself. Chefs have always had to buy their own knives. This is good imo.

Re: Cloudflare acquires Astro

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Post by reactordev »

arjie wrote: post #166

Very nice to see these dev tools get an exit. e.g. I love `uv` and friends but did consider that perhaps dev tools are just a bad business and then no one will go into making that kind of stuff. Good exits means more of these tools. I have only used Astro for toy stuff but it seemed neat. Congrats to the team. EDIT: To put paid to the sidebar discussion below, yes I meant "for instance, consider `uv`; they might do t…

Dev tools that support an ecosystem of things. A dev tool by itself isn’t that valuable unless it’s a backbone of an ecosystem. Astro is. React is. TUI.js is not.

A brand - like charm bracelet - with dev tools is another avenue. Why build one when you can build dozens?

In the end it’s about providing value. Not novelty but value. Make your new overlords better or faster or make everyone better or faster. Provide a value that can be measured.

Re: Cloudflare acquires Astro

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Post by weakfish »

buu700 wrote: post #351
weakfish wrote: post #334

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Np! Hopefully my comment didn’t come off aggressive, meant it to be helpful

lol, well I'd appreciate the heads up even if it were meant to be aggressive, but thanks. Should be good now; the issue was most likely a CSS animation causing your browser tab to crash, so now it'll just turn off the animation whenever the page is quickly reloaded twice in a row. By the way, I'm getting a 404 at https://www.weakphi.sh/showcase .

Hah, thank you! Trading off website help :)

Re: Cloudflare acquires Astro

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Post by victorbjorklund »

dvtkrlbs wrote: post #290
victorbjorklund wrote: post #232

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Let’s hope you’re right. I think vendor lock in is possible if they focus on features tightly coupled to Cloudflare. Look at Next.js. In theory you can deploy it anywhere, but in practice it is harder outside Vercel because of tight coupling around things like caching. You do not have to use those features, but if the framework is built to expect them, it pushes people into that platform. I can imagine Astro becoming…

It is not similar imho. First NextJS build system is not really exposed apart from a simple docker example and all advanced features of NextJS is kinda coupled to Vercel. For Astro it is just a Vite project with integration designed from day mind they would have to rip everything apart and that would probably cause a prominent fork. The other part is Cloudflare is not dependent Astro being vendor locked as much as Ve…

Let’s hope you are being right. Note that I am not talking about Astro today but rather Astro in 5 years.

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Post by mikepurvis »

wbl wrote: post #360
CamouflagedKiwi wrote: post #289

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I don't know if it's easier. I definitely think it's better, but there can be a lure to VC money that puts a company like Docker on that path. There's a world where Docker is a small company earning individually good money but with no hockey stick curve, and I think that's more sustainable and ultimately better for them. I suppose they might disagree, of course :)

Docker was not gonna make it as a small individual tool as something podman like would get traction in that market.

Maybe, but I think it could have made a small team very wealthy and successful much more than it did a large company.

It was obviously pitched as an ecosystem/platform play, like "the next vmware" or something, but there was never anything close to a real moat there. Running a registry involved a lot of storage and transfer costs plus spam/abuse management, and private registry was always going to be a better fit for being integrated with CI platforms and the like more than a standalone service with its own auth and billing concerns.

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Post by skybrian »

knowitnone3 wrote: post #308
skybrian wrote: post #235

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Well, hopefully more like Go's relationship with Google? The company that pays the bills is their first and most important customer, but as far as I can tell from the outside, the Go team makes its own plans and management doesn't pull rank.

You know this because you work on the Go team or part of google management?

> as far as I can tell from the outside

Anyone with actual knowledge, feel free to chime in.

Re: Cloudflare acquires Astro

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Post by re5i5tor »

re5i5tor wrote: post #38

I use Astro deployed on Cloudflare, blog-newsletter kind of site [1], moved over from Hugo. If this keeps Astro viable then it seems like a net win. [1] https://cto4.ai

Based on a request presumably from a HN viewer, I made the repo [2] for this site public.

[2] https://github.com/cto4ai/cto4ai-blog

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Post by Squarex »

upcoming-sesame wrote: post #164
dkhenry wrote: post #95

Astro on Cloudflare workers has been my goto stack for multiple years now. I am very happy with it, and hope this makes the integration stronger. Now we just need Cloudflare to buy one of the DBaaS companies so they have a solid relational offering.

What about Cloudflare D1?

It's quite slow.

Re: Cloudflare acquires Astro

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Post by mb2100 »

Joeri wrote: post #369
css_apologist wrote: post #238

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i'm interpreting this in the reverse if dev tools can only be "monetized" by being bought out, it does not feel sustainable on any level we will see companies attempt to do things like close source these projects, go subscription based, or just straight up drop support there is no incentives for cloudflare to make astro better, or even keep it around same goes with bun, svelte, and i'm sure countless others

Realistically to maintain a modern web framework to even a minimal standard you need a few people working fulltime on it, and more than a few if you want to take it places. There needs to be some kind of long term sustainable vehicle for funding those developers, either a corporate sponsor or a foundation. So all those frameworks have to end up somewhere, and I’d rather it be somewhere else than vercel, as they alrea…

that very much depends on your definition of "modern web framework".
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