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Once again, it’s a static site builder. How, exactly, would they “stop supporting deploying to cloudflare’s competitors”? Be specific.
The same ways Vercel makes it harder to deploy Next.js sites to competitors or for self hosting.
Very nice to see these dev tools get an exit. e.g. I love `uv` and friends but did consider that perhaps dev tools are just a bad business and then no one will go into making that kind of stuff. Good exits means more of these tools. I have only used Astro for toy stuff but it seemed neat. Congrats to the team. EDIT: To put paid to the sidebar discussion below, yes I meant "for instance, consider `uv`; they might do t…
i'm interpreting this in the reverse if dev tools can only be "monetized" by being bought out, it does not feel sustainable on any level we will see companies attempt to do things like close source these projects, go subscription based, or just straight up drop support there is no incentives for cloudflare to make astro better, or even keep it around same goes with bun, svelte, and i'm sure countless others
There is - to counter NextJs. NextJs is a pain to host outside Vercel and makes Cloudflare lose customers. In theory that's why Gatsby was bought out.
> same goes with bun, svelte, and i'm sure countless others
Svelte was also taken over by Vercel. To control frontend hosting. Bun isn't in the same bucket. There isn't such competition going on.
Astro to Cloudflare, Bun to Anthropic. Good trend seeing people toiling away at OS financially rewarded.
Cloudflare's goal is to become the default choice for anyone deploying an app to the cloud. It makes sense for them to support popular frameworks such as Astro, so that they can ensure that the frameworks work very well on their Workers platform.
I don't understand how Cloudflare's bottom line benefits: Some here say they gain Astro users, that Cloudflare will become part of the default deployment. But given Cloudflare's current scale, how much are Astro's users worth? Is it even worth the distraction for Cloudflare? Companies lose energy to lots of small, low-value operations. Most acquisitions begin with announcments that nothing will change, in order to re…
Cloudflare is becoming an alternative for Azure, AWS, ... Many don't realize it yet, because they don't know what Cloudflare is offering.
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The same ways Vercel makes it harder to deploy Next.js sites to competitors or for self hosting.
Vercel does not make Next.js hard to deploy elsewhere. Next.js runs fine on serverful platforms like Railway, Render, and Heroku. I have run a production Next.js SaaS on Railway for years with no issues. What Vercel really did was make Next.js work well in serverless environments, which involves a lot of custom infrastructure [0]. Cloudflare wanted that same behavior on CF Workers, but Vercel never open-sourced how t…
Very nice to see these dev tools get an exit. e.g. I love `uv` and friends but did consider that perhaps dev tools are just a bad business and then no one will go into making that kind of stuff. Good exits means more of these tools. I have only used Astro for toy stuff but it seemed neat. Congrats to the team. EDIT: To put paid to the sidebar discussion below, yes I meant "for instance, consider `uv`; they might do t…
I don't understand how Cloudflare's bottom line benefits: Some here say they gain Astro users, that Cloudflare will become part of the default deployment. But given Cloudflare's current scale, how much are Astro's users worth? Is it even worth the distraction for Cloudflare? Companies lose energy to lots of small, low-value operations. Most acquisitions begin with announcments that nothing will change, in order to re…
buying into something that becomes popular is good advertising for cheap (react is probably the only reason for any kind of goodwill at all towards facebook)
as a function of earnings this is a rounding error purchase for them
Very nice to see these dev tools get an exit. e.g. I love `uv` and friends but did consider that perhaps dev tools are just a bad business and then no one will go into making that kind of stuff. Good exits means more of these tools. I have only used Astro for toy stuff but it seemed neat. Congrats to the team. EDIT: To put paid to the sidebar discussion below, yes I meant "for instance, consider `uv`; they might do t…
This is Astro, not Astral. uv is Astral :-) Edit: OP clarified what they meant, I'm sorry for the misunderstanding on my part!
I mean good for them, but it would be nice if the same happened to e.g. Astral (cf.).
I’ve used Astro on Cloudflare for a few years for my personal website (username.com). They’ve both been absolutely fantastic, I can’t say enough good things about both of them. My website has all 100s on PageSpeed/Lighthouse, and that’s because of the performance focus of both Astro and Cloudflare. No credit to me at all. It was mainly because Astro prioritised shipping 0 JS unless it was absolutely necessary and Clo…
But with the events of the world being what they are I have been considering moving my Astro page to BunnyCDN and thus Europe (where I live). The only Cloudflare specific feature I've used is D1 database so migrating now shouldn't be too difficult. I really hope Cloudflare does not make it difficult to use Astro on other providers, either intentionally or by accident. Next.js for a long time was essentially a framework that only ran great on Vercel, and using other providers was asking to become a second citizen. I believe it is somewhat better now with proper provider plugin system, but still.
Astro has been great and I understand they need to find a way to economically sustain their business. Joining a big company like Cloudflare is one way to do that. I can't complain too much never having opted to use Astro's commercial offerings. So I only hope they keep Astro open. I'm building a new product on top of Astro now and would hate to see it become a Cloudflare-only product.
Congratulations to the Astro team!