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Re: Cloudflare acquires Astro

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Post by mmooss »

I don't understand how Cloudflare's bottom line benefits:

Some here say they gain Astro users, that Cloudflare will become part of the default deployment. But given Cloudflare's current scale, how much are Astro's users worth? Is it even worth the distraction for Cloudflare? Companies lose energy to lots of small, low-value operations.

Most acquisitions begin with announcments that nothing will change, in order to retain customers and employees. They say ' is so great, we don't want to interfere, and we're keeping existing management and letting them run things'. After the transition period - often 1 year - the old managers leave and the big changes happen, sometimes including shutting down the product because it was an acqui-hire all along or an IP acquisition.

It seems like Cloudflare must perceive some profit beyond what is announced.

Re: Cloudflare acquires Astro

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Post by tonyhart7 »

mmooss wrote: post #341

I don't understand how Cloudflare's bottom line benefits: Some here say they gain Astro users, that Cloudflare will become part of the default deployment. But given Cloudflare's current scale, how much are Astro's users worth? Is it even worth the distraction for Cloudflare? Companies lose energy to lots of small, low-value operations. Most acquisitions begin with announcments that nothing will change, in order to re…

marketshare ???

like do you understand which company doing the same thing ????? Vercel is

now we talking, cloudflare want to extend their portofolio and product offering by integrate from top to bottom like vercel does

its doens't make sense/oblivious because we view it as standalone product rather than entire suite of product offering that well integrate vertically

Re: Cloudflare acquires Astro

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Post by rdiddly »

woodruffw wrote: post #207
satvikpendem wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They know, hence why they used e.g., i.e. exempli gratia

I don't think that's really clear. I think we could both defer to the OP clarifying. For pedantry's sake: neither i.e. nor e.g. would be correct here. You want cf. ("conferatur") to invite a comparison; e.g. is when an example pertains to an instance . In this case uv would not pertain to the instance, because Astro is not Astral.

"e.g." IS correct because uv is an example or instance of a dev tool.

Re: Cloudflare acquires Astro

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Post by programjames »

huhkerrf wrote: post #223
725686 wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the perplex: e.g. is latin for "exempli gratia" = for example i.e. is latin for "id est" = that is

A good way to remember it is to use a backronym: e.g. - example given i.e. - in effect

i.e. - in eother (words)

Re: Cloudflare acquires Astro

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Post by jayanmn »

philipallstar wrote: post #6

It would be good to understand what Cloudflare gets out of the deal. The article is very much just "Astro, but someone else pays the bills!" which is of course lovely for Astro.

VMware maintained spring framework for many years. It was good ( as a user)

Re: Cloudflare acquires Astro

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Post by deaux »

slfreference wrote: post #203
jjmarr wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use Astro so I could make my blog a static site and deploy it to Cloudflare pages. I was impressed since I got interactive compilation and state tracking of how many exercises the user completed. https://jjmarr.com/blog/structured-bindings-structs/

I have a question. Why can't Whatsapp or Meta make a markdown INFO only website for small business owners (e.g. technicians, shopkeepers, handyman, etc) using their immense reach and clout. The method of using whatsapp groups to keep users updated of the latest updates is not scalable or open.

Because they much rather have those small businesses use a Facebook page for that purpose, which is the status quo in the West.

Re: Cloudflare acquires Astro

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Post by stephenr »

arjie wrote: post #166

Very nice to see these dev tools get an exit. e.g. I love `uv` and friends but did consider that perhaps dev tools are just a bad business and then no one will go into making that kind of stuff. Good exits means more of these tools. I have only used Astro for toy stuff but it seemed neat. Congrats to the team. EDIT: To put paid to the sidebar discussion below, yes I meant "for instance, consider `uv`; they might do t…

> Very nice to see these dev tools get an exit. e.g. I love `uv` and friends but did consider that perhaps dev tools are just a bad business

I can't even begin to comprehend what kind of world view you need to have, to think that being bought out by some megacorp with an at-best 50/50 chance of continuing existing products is an accurate measure of a "good business", much less that its the only measure.

Re: Cloudflare acquires Astro

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Post by stephenr »

JavierFlores09 wrote: post #338
css_apologist wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i'm interpreting this in the reverse if dev tools can only be "monetized" by being bought out, it does not feel sustainable on any level we will see companies attempt to do things like close source these projects, go subscription based, or just straight up drop support there is no incentives for cloudflare to make astro better, or even keep it around same goes with bun, svelte, and i'm sure countless others

Who's to say there's no incentive. Anthropic using Bun internally is plenty incentive to make it better even if for their own use-case. I think it is a bit of a doomer perspective to think anything being bought out means the end of the line for that project. Sure, some things might change depending on the interests of the new owners but that's not to say it'll automatically become bad. Microsoft bought Github and Moj…

GitHub is without question worse for users now.

Re: Cloudflare acquires Astro

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Post by fartfeatures »

ljm wrote: post #330
nindalf wrote: post #103

I’ve used Astro on Cloudflare for a few years for my personal website (username.com). They’ve both been absolutely fantastic, I can’t say enough good things about both of them. My website has all 100s on PageSpeed/Lighthouse, and that’s because of the performance focus of both Astro and Cloudflare. No credit to me at all. It was mainly because Astro prioritised shipping 0 JS unless it was absolutely necessary and Clo…

Out of curiosity, how do you become ‘exceedingly good’ at serving static HTML? By all accounts, they’ve centralised the delivery of this static HTML at several layers of the network stack, and you’re not getting static HTML anymore because some other part of the business fucked it up. The World Wide Web was serving static HTML for decades before Cloudflare came along. Open an FTP client, drag and drop, and boom - new…

When we talk static HTML I think that still includes images, stylesheets and potentially even very basic javascript (e.g. setting classes). Those take advantage of CDNs; Cloudflare have an extensive CDN with decent latency / locations. They also are a DNS registrar and a lot of people use them for their local DNS provider so again latency benefits. That's before we talk about the DDoS protection, injecting stuff like metrics etc etc. I don't want to sound like a Cloudflare rep here but I can see where this user is coming from.
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