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Launch HN: Indy (YC S21) – A support app designed for ADHD brains

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Re: Launch HN: Indy (YC S21) – A support app designed for ADHD brains

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(1) The App and the description seem just as relevant for a non-ADHD population.

(2) Relying on, and committing to, an app like this has high requirements of diligence for efficacy; in an age of extractive apps, users might doubt even promising apps, and be less prone to adopt or maintain. So there's a yawning participation gap.

Relying on AI for the interactivity/liveness to maintain participation could work, but actually then puts a lot of quality pressure on the AI. The first off tone could prompt escape. How do you scale QA for that?

So, I'd think this needs to be coupled with social factors: testimonials and community building.

Efficacy testimonials would distinguish this from other self-management apps. Allowing users to gift others the app would spread the word. Providing users an in-app way to share feedback could help with QA, particularly if it was validated by others' responses. e.g., "I don't like this phrasing. It sounds like x." reply: "yeah, others agree so we're working on that" or "we'll look into it" Maybe only people who participate diligently get the ability to gift the app to others (but I would steer clear of obvious incentives/kickbacks).

I think the killer feature would be dedication to reporting actual feedback. Admit that it won't work for everyone, require feedback on whether it's working, and post that feedback to all users. Then work on improving it, either by fixing the app or selecting users better. That would given people confidence and mitigate the loneliness. Users should feel that they're not only helping themselves, but helping others like them. To me that commitment to others often gets me over a momentary lack of commitment to my larger self.

Re: Launch HN: Indy (YC S21) – A support app designed for ADHD brains

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As a privacy concious ADHDer, it is a sad reality that OP's product is never going to be something I can trust enough to use. Anyone has any experience of similar/alternative local-first FOSS alternatives / replacements, or resources on how you figured out how to build workflows that worked with you with non-ADHD focused tools? I have come to the point where I am going to be losing my job very soon because I have 0 e…

Unfortunately, it is not FOSS but I find Obsidian with kanban plugin a killer. They do release their Android app from Github, and some custom ROMs allows you to disallow network permission. Also for Linux version, you can use Flatpak release and run it without network permission. Not very ideal, but I find it working for me.

Siyuan note is FOSS and AFAIK does everything Obsidian does.

Re: Launch HN: Indy (YC S21) – A support app designed for ADHD brains

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I click on the link and see that ublock origin blocks a total of 15 tracking scripts on your health-related website. At the bottom there is a "cookie management" popup and I wonder what went wrong that your website includes Google, Intercom, Stripe, and several others BEFORE the user has clicked through the "cookie" dialog. Is this yet another US-based startup that totally misunderstands that GDPR is not about blocki…

This so much

Re: Launch HN: Indy (YC S21) – A support app designed for ADHD brains

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The only thing that reliably works is co-working with another human.

This is hard to find and not always possible. The reason it works is that it triggers the "empathy brain," which transfers the importance of the person to the importance of the task. Having an invested person always at your command is impossible, and an AI robot simply doesn't trigger that same empathy. It costs three cents per interaction. It is a robot. It isn't important, no matter how advanced it is.

There is something fascinating yet defeating about how the ADHD brain craves human connection. Just as loneliness can’t be solved by an app, ADHD cannot be "app-ed" out. I have found that these systems can lighten the cognitive load, but that is their limit.

I have a vibed chief-of-staff personal system. It knows everything and it neatly mapped out my state and day. I even know the first simple task I need to do because a prompt organized it for me on another page. Yet, I would still rather write this comment here. You already know this at some level, too.

Re: Launch HN: Indy (YC S21) – A support app designed for ADHD brains

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I appreciate the effort. I'll give you my honest two cents. If you don't have thick skin, stop reading here. I'm going to be critical, and I'm going to be blunt. You can take it or leave it.

The landing page sucks. In my first impression my eyes immediately darted to the animated graphics/webms. The text reads like it was written by AI with the sentences in triplets everywhere. Immediately my trust for this site (which was finicky at first) has already gone down. If you can't sustain my attention in the banner, what makes me think you can sustain my attention for the app? Be direct - show me what your app does at a glance. My attention is very scarce and very expensive, don't waste it on vague niceties or depend on me to trust you on what you say other people are saying about your app. I feel like you're trying to cheat me out of own autonomy when you're selling me something (even if it's free, my time = money) that I have no idea what it does until I get to the FAQ. My 2c - put the FAQ in the very top, with the questions "Is this just another AI chatbot?" and "How does Indy fit with ADHD coaching or other support?" in order with minimized distractions. This tells me what your product is and what it isn't at face value.

Re: Launch HN: Indy (YC S21) – A support app designed for ADHD brains

#69

The only thing that reliably works is co-working with another human. This is hard to find and not always possible. The reason it works is that it triggers the "empathy brain," which transfers the importance of the person to the importance of the task. Having an invested person always at your command is impossible, and an AI robot simply doesn't trigger that same empathy. It costs three cents per interaction. It is a…

> The only thing that reliably works is co-working with another human.

I found this didnt really do anything for me.

> ADHD cannot be "app-ed" out.

I have found significant success with Kanban. To the point where at times, I can even go unmedicated and still somewhat progress. With medication I might as well be superhuman.

Something about the WIP limit, the way I structure it so that I can see the timeframes (Next month, next week, today etc) and the moving of tasks from left to right really clicked with my brain.

It's been the most successful intervention in terms of my treatment in the entirety of my existence.

Re: Launch HN: Indy (YC S21) – A support app designed for ADHD brains

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As an ADHD person, the landing page is absolutely anti-ADHD - a lot of stuff with basically no info about what it really does. It should have been all concise and tangible information, simple example, demo. Instead just a lot of marketing fluff. I spent all the focus budget there and I have no idea what it does.

adhd here, too, including asperger. seconded: A huge intro post, like a text wall. That's everything an adhd person is trying to avoid. Started the app. A couple of "motivational speeches". Asking some questions I don't even understand. Answered randomly, just to see what the app is offering. At the end: account required. That's where you first lost me. So I tried the website. First sentence just some sale-pitch-spee…

This comment might seem harsh, but this feedback is gold. I agree completely, matched my experience reading through the page, and I was diagnosed in my mid-40s with ADHD.

I wonder if the folks doing marketing are neurotypical, but they are trying to target a population that's neurodivergent? Just spitballing since I have no info, but an interesting topic.

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