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Re: STFU

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Post by fwipsy »

dylan604 wrote: post #63
mrexroad wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You touched a nerve for me — folks hiking with Bluetooth speakers. My god that grinds my gears. I can see an argument for playing music (at reasonable volume) while relaxing at a camp site, but on the trail it’s as aggravating as a dirt bike or snowmobile ripping along near by.

I've heard many people say the cannot stand they way earbuds feel. Just like many people said they could not breath wearing a mask.

I can't stand the way earbuds feel. That's why I wear over-the-ear headphones or bone-conducting headphones. There are so many options for personal audio. Even if you're truly allergic to all of them, that doesn't give you the right to inflict your noise on others.

Imagine if everyone decided they were entitled to play their music on speakers. The result would be a cacophony where nobody can hear their own music and life is worse for everyone. People who play music in public spaces are claiming a common resource for their own exclusive use.

Sincerely - someone who's lived with 7 other people in a 3-bedroom house.

Re: STFU

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Post by HendrikHensen »

dekhn wrote: post #88

Here's one I don't know how to solve: at work some folks take meetings in the bathroom. They're on their phone, they walk to a stall, do their... business while doing their business, all the while talking and listening, while toilets flush in the background. I understand cultural differences but taking business meetings in the bathroom seems inappropriate under effectively all circumstances.

Go to the stall next door, play pooping and farting noises on your phone, very loudly.

Re: STFU

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Post by Aurornis »

connorgurney wrote: post #31

I might be in a minority saying this - and particularly so here on HN - but I struggle to understand why you'd be willing to use a tool like this, as OP did, but not to politely ask someone to keep it down?

This feels like a case of imaginary revenge. I doubt the tool was actually used. Creating this tool was part of a revenge fantasy.

If someone has too much social anxiety or is too afraid to politely ask the other person to turn it down, using an actively annoying option like this isn't going to help. This is more likely to induce a confrontation.

Re: STFU

#114

Post by DoneWithAllThat »

dylan604 wrote: post #45
tra3 wrote: post #28

In the style of cheap tiktoks: "There are two types of people...". My wife loves listening to her phone on max volume, but it sounds so bad compared to half decent speakers. Also what's up with the people hiking (by themselves) with a bluetooth speaker. You're by yourself, in nature. If you want to listen to music wear headphones!! Also why are people using speaker phones in public places at max volume. The speaker i…

Yes, you are a crank, but you are not alone. Either way, we should at least acknowledge the crankiness. Not everyone owns headphones. Some people might have received the speaker as a gift or decided on the speaker instead of headphones. How people spend their time outdoors is not up to you or I to decide. If they want to listen to music from a bluetooth speaker, that's what they want to do. There's a lot more outdoor…

This is probably the most perfect illustration of toxic empathy I have ever read.

Re: STFU

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Post by Aurornis »

IgorPartola wrote: post #52
connorgurney wrote: post #31

I might be in a minority saying this - and particularly so here on HN - but I struggle to understand why you'd be willing to use a tool like this, as OP did, but not to politely ask someone to keep it down?

Because social anxiety, typically. “What if the person tells me to fuck off? What if they make a scene of it?” Especially if six years ago you are the person who was in your teenage years, chances are your social skills are not what they could be if you didn’t spend a year in lockdowns. Conversely, if you are the kind of person able to come up to a stranger and ask them (politely and respectfully!) to change what the…

> Because social anxiety, typically. “What if the person tells me to fuck off? What if they make a scene of it?”

As opposed to building a tool to actively annoy them without politely asking them a question? This doesn't follow.

I doubt the tool was actually used.

Re: STFU

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Post by RomanPushkin »

dekhn wrote: post #88

Here's one I don't know how to solve: at work some folks take meetings in the bathroom. They're on their phone, they walk to a stall, do their... business while doing their business, all the while talking and listening, while toilets flush in the background. I understand cultural differences but taking business meetings in the bathroom seems inappropriate under effectively all circumstances.

Have you thought it could be because of the pressure they're getting at work? Today you're forced to work when you're sick, to do your business while doing your business...

I agree that flushing toilets could have been muted, but isn't it a Zoom/Google-Meets issue when they're supposed to remove the noise?

Re: STFU

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Post by gensym »

BeetleB wrote: post #102
tra3 wrote: post #28

In the style of cheap tiktoks: "There are two types of people...". My wife loves listening to her phone on max volume, but it sounds so bad compared to half decent speakers. Also what's up with the people hiking (by themselves) with a bluetooth speaker. You're by yourself, in nature. If you want to listen to music wear headphones!! Also why are people using speaker phones in public places at max volume. The speaker i…

Wearing headphones while hiking is uncomfortable, and wearing earbuds for any length of time is always uncomfortable - hiking or not. They also fall out. As others have said - not really a big deal. Either get ahead of them and maintain a significant distance, or stay behind and do so.

It is a big deal. It means for a lot of people there's nowhere they can go to actually enjoy the sound of nature. The strategy of getting ahead or staying behind doesn't work when there are switchbacks or crowded trails. The strategy that does work is to get fit enough to go deep into the backcountry because the troglodytes that bring speakers to hikes lack the discipline to ever get that far.

Re: STFU

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Post by BeetleB »

pkulak wrote: post #67
dylan604 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, you are a crank, but you are not alone. Either way, we should at least acknowledge the crankiness. Not everyone owns headphones. Some people might have received the speaker as a gift or decided on the speaker instead of headphones. How people spend their time outdoors is not up to you or I to decide. If they want to listen to music from a bluetooth speaker, that's what they want to do. There's a lot more outdoor…

> How people spend their time outdoors is not up to you or I to decide. Oh no, it absolutely is. Societies have laws, and even just social norms, that don't stop applying "outdoors". Unless you're in the ocean, I suppose. Pack out what you pack in. Stay on the trail. No loudspeakers. Very simple.

Of the three you mention, only one is the law in every public land place I've hiked.[1]

Staying on the trail is mostly a suggestion for your safety (and to preserve the area) - definitely not a law.

Ditto for loudspeakers. People often go into nature and throw concerts.

[1] OK - trails in state parks and perhaps some national parks likely have more rules. But trails in general public lands (BLM, forest, etc)? Not many.

Re: STFU

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Post by Craighead »

You need it to be 200ms not 2 seconds

Delayed Auditory Feedback (DAF) is the term you need to look into. Playing back what someone says to you back at them with a 200ms delay is literally a brain Denial of Service.

Re: STFU

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Post by jlarocco »

dekhn wrote: post #88

Here's one I don't know how to solve: at work some folks take meetings in the bathroom. They're on their phone, they walk to a stall, do their... business while doing their business, all the while talking and listening, while toilets flush in the background. I understand cultural differences but taking business meetings in the bathroom seems inappropriate under effectively all circumstances.

A previous CTO at my company would do this and it always weirded me out. Standing at the urinal, and suddenly hear him talking to a customer over in the stall. Very strange and uncomfortable.

I won't lie, though, I secretly enjoyed timing flushes to match when he was talking.

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