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Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Post by switchbak »

adamiscool8 wrote: post #111
lifetimerubyist wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I feel Canada only set tariffs on cars out of some deference to the US auto industry That is exactly what they did. https://financialpost.com/commodities/energy/electric-vehicl... > The tariffs follow a May announcement by U.S. President Joe Biden of 100 per cent tariffs on Chinese-made EVs. > Trudeau said on Sunday night that he had discussed China and other national geopolitical issues with U.S. national security…

Nothing to do with “unfair, non-market policies and practices […] and China’s intentional, state-directed policy of overcapacity and lack of rigorous labour and environmental standards”? I suppose that doesn’t even register anymore to the average selectively outraged parochial Canadian. [0] https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/news/2024/08/can...

You'd be surprised the stink people can put up with when you have a leader to the south of us that is engaged in the kind of regressive behaviour that he/his administration is.

Not that I'm condoning this at all, I think China is a very concerning actor on the world stage. But I can certainly understand the mindset of many Canadians to reflexively seek out alternatives to more USA interdependence, short sighted as some of that may be.

Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Post by hackable_sand »

irishcoffee wrote: post #115
HNisCIS wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This x1000, I hope this really turns the screws on the US manufacturers, they need to hurt.

I suppose you realize the people running those manufacturing companies won't be hurt much at all, everyone who scrapes by trying to making a living work for them will hurt a lot when they get fired.

This is pure propaganda.

Keep doing you, Canada.

Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Post by Marsymars »

FractalParadigm wrote: post #152
mkozlows wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep in mind that the US auto industry is also very much a Canadian one. A lot of Big Three stuff happens across the border in Ontario. But all the policy support that would have let North American automakers build up a competitive position with China is gone, so this is more about just acknowledging reality now.

> Keep in mind that the US auto industry is also very much a Canadian one. As someone who's worked in the auto industry (in Canada) I have to 'hard disagree.' The big three have proven time and time again that we (Canadians) are second-class citizens when it comes to how they operate the facilities built here. Even before any of this nonsensical tariff nonsense, billions in government money has been given to the like…

Hey now, I bought a Mexican-made pickup.

Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Post by rootusrootus »

feverzsj wrote: post #16

According to Russian users, Chinese EV works poorly in cold climates. I don't think Canadians prefer EVs anyway.

> I don't think Canadians prefer EVs anyway.

One of the more popular locations for the Ford Lightning is Toronto. They seem to do fine. Canadian politics echoes American politics a bit, but they are not quite so ideological about EVs as we are.

Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Post by wasabi991011 »

adamiscool8 wrote: post #167
fbelzile wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It can, and likely was, both.

It’s a good thing Canada waited for China to resolve all these issues before swinging open our market doors to them.

When you have two overlapping issues, it is perfectly reasonable to choose to focus on the one you consider more important given the current context.

If the context changes, it is reasonable to change which issue you focus on.

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Post by vkou »

vdupras wrote: post #39
gpm wrote: post #14

Up to 49,000 vehicles. To put that number in context, in 2024 Candians bought 1,918,861 vehicles of which 264,277 where zero-emissions.

Yes, it's a modest step, but my guess is that those BYD cars will sell like hot cakes and demand will go through the roof. By popular demand, the government will have to lift that limit. That's all China needs to destroy american car manufacturing.

> That's all China needs to destroy american car manufacturing.

I don't think China can be held responsible for America voting for Donald Trump, one of whose main goals in life has been the destruction of every trading and soft-power partnership that the US has built over the past 80 years.

Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Post by timeon »

boringg wrote: post #168
footy wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that's why we're also leaning into our relationship with Europe. We were fooled by Americans but we clearly do not in fact share values, and they're the aggressor we need to fight off here.

There's only a small subset of Americans who think this way, but they happen to be in power right now.

I would not blame people in US as I do not blame those in Russia or North Korea (or those in my country - which include myself). But unfortunately that is not relevant here.

Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Post by Waterluvian »

A few assorted thoughts:

- I'm still not over how great it feels to have confidence that Carney has a strong understanding of the economics of these political manouvers. Not only is he not a !@#$ing moron, he's a deeply experience economist more than he's a politician.

- Stratification of trading partners is nothing but good.

- This feels like safe toe-dip. Both sides have agreed to terms that are temporary, meaning there is no surprise rug-pull moment. Which is something the Americans are using more and more to keep everyone so !@#$ing wound up.

- This could be a long-term play for China: establish a presence in the North American auto market. The U.S. is right there. (Watch the Americans ban Chinese EVs from border crossing)

- Even better long-term play: establish North American manufacturing. How about Ontario builds Japanese and Chinese cars, turns CAMI and others into a Roshel or other military vehicle plant, and says good riddance to the American auto makers that have been rug-pulling long before Trump got into politics.

- A great opportunity to start improving trade lines for Canola. Possibly a trial balloon for other primary and secondary resources?

- Canada cannot stand on its own geopolitically. We must be closely tied to a major power. Intuitively that choice is the EU But I fear that China can move much faster and we'll find ourselves de-facto in their sphere while the EU is still debating this and that.

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