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Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Post by knuppar »

adamiscool8 wrote: post #81
knuppar wrote: post #77

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> And it may sound paranoid but remember that China was caught operating their own "police" force around the world not long ago Have you heard about ICE? That one's not a paranoid thought. It's a very real personal police designed for oppression. I'd much much rather chineses EVs flooding the market over Teslas.

Did ICE have clandestine police stations in Canada trying to rendition political dissidents? People need to get a grip and some perspective.

American citizens being shot and brutalized by a state sponsored force of masked thugs without training. Sounds pretty clandestine to me and it's happening in us soil.

Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Post by TheBlight »

alopha wrote: post #84
nik282000 wrote: post #53

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Everyone knows. But America is has made it very clear it has no allies, this means every middle power is near obligated to re-position themselves to be roughly in the middle between the two super-powers.

This ignores physical geographical reality.

Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Post by bluGill »

bgirard wrote: post #75
Retric wrote: post #57

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Cars last ~25 years, 49,000 * 25 = 1.2 million Chinese EV’s on the road in a steady state. Not such as huge shift in total, but EV’s are still a small percentage of total vehicle sales in Canada.

~25 years isn't the average when you account for accidents, rust, and useful economic life of a car. We had 200+ car crashes due to weather in a single day this week in Waterloo, Ontario.

The average car in the us is 12 years old, so expected life of 25 seems reasonable. Not all make it that long but many will

Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Post by vdupras »

palmotea wrote: post #67
vdupras wrote: post #61

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Why would this move imply anything about China's trustworthiness? Canada has forever been USA's lap dog. They say "jump" we say "how high?". Those tariffs we had were mostly to be in solidarity of the US. Yes, it was also to protect car manufacturing in Ontario, but Trump has sent a clear signal that as long as Canada isn't a US state, this industry is going to die. So, why bother with a tariff at all? This has nothi…

> Why would this move imply anything about China's trustworthiness? Per you GGP: China was previously considered untrustworthy, so its products tariffed to exclude them. It implies more trust if now those tariffs are being removed to allow them in. And it's especially off of the motivation is some evaluation of the US's trustworthiness, because those two things are completely independent. > Yes, it was also to protec…

I don't see where you're going. We trust europeans and I very much doubt that we had any tariff on their automobiles to begin with. We're talking about removing a "artificial" stopgap tariff specifically targeting Chinese imports, not preferring China over Europe.

European cars can't compete here because they're not cheap enough. Chinese car are. They're the one disrupting the global market now.

Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Post by [deleted] »

zjsushsb wrote: post #19

I’m assuming this is downstream of trumps move in Venezuela? Canada suffers the most from US access to Venezuelan oil. On top of all the prior rhetoric and moves by his admin. What concerns me is why does the west think China is trustworthy? Why are we all fighting one another? Culture is important. China knows this, and is unequivocally Chinese relative to the Europeans.

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Post by bluGill »

footy wrote: post #94
yabones wrote: post #64

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I think the niche for EV's in Canada will be regional-ish transportation... I would love to see a network of chargers that fully cover the Trans-Canada Highway, but there are still some pretty significant gaps, for example Hwy 17 - If even one of the stations goes down you'd be stranded. But in that niche I can really see cheap EVs taking off. I know several people who live in Toronto whose cars have never been more…

As a Torontonian that last part is honestly what I'm most excited about. Massive American cars simply do not belong in most of our streets in this city, and if this starts the long process of getting them out that's going to be amazing. I've seen Cybertrucks zooming down streets that are about a Cybertruck and a half wide and it's an untenable situation.

Massive trucks are useful for construction. You should get better transit so less people have cars.

Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Post by csours »

daedrdev wrote: post #8

Its only the first 50K that get 6%, still pretty interesting as being physically so close to the US could cause people in the US to get their first look at Chinese cars. Chinese car companies face far more ruthless competition than western ones so could end up making better cars as a result, imo. There are over 100 brands in china selling electric cars

It's 50,000+ users to learn from. Chinese companies have gotten pretty good at learning.

Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Post by boringg »

nsmdkdfk wrote: post #52
footy wrote: post #23

Good. Carney also remarked our relationship with China is now more predictable with our relationship with the states (wild shade coming from him) just to really make it clear to certain parties why this is happening. Cheaper car options in this country will be nice, and I say this as a certified car hater who's yet to own one despite pushing 40.

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China doesn't do friends - thats for sure. However if you have a transactional trade relationship with clear boundaries that don't get undermined due to random temperaments you can build on that. The other is impossible to build on - especially threatening to own the country.

This is an eye opening event.

Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Post by brianwawok »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #74
justonceokay wrote: post #63

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Yeah there was never any competing with china, our industry just relies on our market using different values to purchase a car. It’s tough to convince most price-inelastic people they shouldn’t buy a car that is 1/2 price, even if it has fewer features. Edit: to be clear I meant that the US did not compete, not that they could not compete

> Yeah thee was never any competing with china, our industry just relies on our market using different values to purchase a car. This is patently false. The US could have competed with China if it had maintained investments spinning up battery manufacturing and downstream systems to build EVs at scale, while subsidizing EVs (fossil fuels are subsidized to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars per year [1]) and…

Chinese autoworker makes what, 5k USD a year? Vs 50k+ for union autoworker in the US? How can you win that battle?
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