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America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

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Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

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I don't think economics have squeezed out free time -- phones squeeze out all our free time.

Having two or three jobs is not really conductive to free time.

In the US per official data ~5% have more than one job (and that includes lawyers doing consultancy for example) https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS12026620

Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

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This sort of citizen engagement is cute, naïve and ultimately pointless. Where I live in the US the major landowner(s) and local billionaire(s) ultimately controls these things. I’m not being sarcastic.

Just 16 people voted in Glendale’s municipal election amid the pandemic https://www.denverpost.com/2020/04/21/glendale-election-coro... Glendale, Colorado is the quintessential example of this. Like 2,000 people live there due to insane gerrymandering, but there are tons of businesses and money moving around. The mayor gives crazy zoning benefits to his wife (strip club and dispensary on the main road, right next to…

Lack of engagement in local elections and politics is a major issue in the United States, there is a huge amount of low level corruption like this because its really easy to game things when 20 people vote.

Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

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It's by design that only people with stable housing can vote? I bet you loved pre-1965 America.

Yes, voting requires some form of residency. That's a pretty basic tenant of any stable representative government. Anything less becomes extremely easy to game.

There people have residency, they just don't live in a stable form of housing that allows them to register as living in the city. But some of them have lived in the city for years.

Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

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All things being equal, SF has some of the most desirable weather on the planet, so it will always have an high cost of living due to excess demand.

it's a great place to live and there will always be high demand. there would be more supply if not for restrictive zoning laws. and more supply = lower prices

SF has a relatively high ratio of housing units to population compared to other cities in the US and a 9.7% vacancy rate. By the numbers, it has an oversupply of housing.

Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

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It probably isn't as simple as the writer thinks. Houston, for example, has no zoning laws and no $4 lunch bowls.

You are oversimplifying the writer's position. They mention zoning as one reason but also other regulations, health codes (minimum sink counts!) and other things like parking minimums (which houston has had, though they've been removed recently in a lot of cases), reliable and ubiquitous public transit, etc.

The writer's title is oversimplifying the writer's position, then.

Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

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The key point here (and biggest advantage of Japanese cities) is that nearly every building is mixed-use by default, regardless of local density levels. This post does a great job illustrating the difference this makes: https://urbankchoze.blogspot.com/2014/04/japanese-zoning.htm... For comparison, even our best-case scenarios for urbanism here in the states (like NYC) have incredibly convoluted zoning rules, which i…

It’s not that simple. My city in Silicon Valley foists mixed use on most new developments in the form of ground floor retail. Yet it’s often vacant.

Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

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post #23

The key point here (and biggest advantage of Japanese cities) is that nearly every building is mixed-use by default, regardless of local density levels. This post does a great job illustrating the difference this makes: https://urbankchoze.blogspot.com/2014/04/japanese-zoning.htm... For comparison, even our best-case scenarios for urbanism here in the states (like NYC) have incredibly convoluted zoning rules, which i…

The best videos on this (in my opinion) which compliment urbankchoze's post:

‣ Not Just Bikes: https://youtu.be/jlwQ2Y4By0U

‣ Life Where I'm from: https://youtu.be/wfm2xCKOCNk

Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

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post #51

I serve as a planning commissioner for my city, and my city just recently tried to overhaul our zoning code to allow for more affordability and better economic outcomes for our citizens and future as a city. Here is what I have learned: In the US, few people participate or care about local laws, zoning, and elections, or even understand why participation may be important. In a citizen ballot to determine if we should…

This sort of citizen engagement is cute, naïve and ultimately pointless. Where I live in the US the major landowner(s) and local billionaire(s) ultimately controls these things. I’m not being sarcastic.

The point of the OP post, AFAICT, is that even in places where there are no powerful billionaire-backed campaigns and lobbying, and people can have their way with simple, effortless voting, too few people even care! And those who act, do so cluelessly, or in a narrowly selfish way.

The most powerful weapon the powerful have against the majority of "ordinary people" is to propagate the idea that all this local stuff is boring and ultimately decides nothing. To make people stop caring.

Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

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>Individual regulations, each reasonable in isolation... Every single one of these rules that amounts to death by a thousand cuts preventing these sorts of businesses (as well as many others) will be rabidly defended by many/most if presented in the abstract. That sort of inability to reason about the forest based on what you're doing to the trees is the root problem. And it's a social/ideological/moral one, even if…

This is why the "let's slash regulations and cut the size of the government to let business prosper" pitch seems so appealing, and yet never seems to work in practice. The problem is, these kinds of deregulatory pushes always imagine that there are a bunch of price-increasing regulations set up by unaccountable bureaucrats somewhere, and that we can tear those down while making the system simultaneously cheaper and m…

That's exactly right. I have so many frustrating stories from local politics that go exactly like you described.

There is hope. Scott Wiener is a California politician who saw that these problems can't be resolved at the local level and got himself elected to the state legislature. He is smart about how he sets up the battles so he has had very good results incrementally improving California's zoning - and other things - by gradually restricting local zoning authority when it's abused.

We are not yet at the "convenience store at the subdivision corner" stage, but give him time.

Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

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I serve as a planning commissioner for my city, and my city just recently tried to overhaul our zoning code to allow for more affordability and better economic outcomes for our citizens and future as a city. Here is what I have learned: In the US, few people participate or care about local laws, zoning, and elections, or even understand why participation may be important. In a citizen ballot to determine if we should…

I think there is a snowball effect with zoning. I specifically sought out a place zoned with no building code checks and hardly any zoning. I value my right to die in a fire a lot more than I value my right to have the jack-boot enter my own property and tell me he knows best. People like me go to places with fairly free zoning. The jack boot lickers go to places with restricted zoning. Once one has a majority it jus…

Building Codes and Zoning are orthogonal concepts. Japan has more lax zoning than the US at large more more stringent building codes.
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