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America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

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Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

#31

It probably isn't as simple as the writer thinks. Houston, for example, has no zoning laws and no $4 lunch bowls.

Or basically all of Europe. Haven't seen $4 lunch bowls (adjusted to local wages) anywhere. Spending "nearly an hour a day cooking" is the norm in most countries here. Eating out is expensive anywhere.

Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

#32

I serve as a planning commissioner for my city, and my city just recently tried to overhaul our zoning code to allow for more affordability and better economic outcomes for our citizens and future as a city. Here is what I have learned: In the US, few people participate or care about local laws, zoning, and elections, or even understand why participation may be important. In a citizen ballot to determine if we should…

A good start would be to allow everyone living in the city to vote. I don't care about politics, zoning or planning if I am not allowed to vote or participate. There isn't anything I can do, so why bother putting effort into it?

> allow everyone living in the city to vote

Who is "everyone" in this case?

Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

#33
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This is missing the forest for the trees a bit. Our zoning laws do prevent lower footprint businesses, but in reality the problem is less zoning laws and more landlords and rent. If you compare city to city (ignoring other societal issues), cities in Japan have a far lower vacancy rate compared to cities across America. In Seattle I've seen a ton of smaller spaces become vacant and stay vacant for years because landl…

That's not how commercial real estate works.

I disagree, and it's one of the things our new mayor is working towards (imposing a vacancy tax).

Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

#34

Pay Japanese salaries, get Japanese prices [0]. That $4 kombini bento feels like a $13 burrito or Cava bowl when on a Japanese salary. Japan only appears cheap if you earn in USD, GBP, and Euros. For most Japanese households, costs have risen higher than salaries [1][2] and they are now facing inflation due to tourist spending [7][8][9]. It also doesn't help that the median household income in Japan is around $25,000…

> Japan’s minimum wage ($6.68 an hour) is similar to America’s ($7.25).

1. American state minimum wage supersedes the national minimum wage [0]

2. The median household income in Japan is significantly below the US ($25,000 [1] versus $83k [2]), let alone other OECD members.

[0] - https://www.ncsl.org/labor-and-employment/state-minimum-wage...

[1] - https://newsdig.tbs.co.jp/articles/mro/2029703?display=1

[2] - https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2025/demo/p60-28...

Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

#35

reducing everything to zoning laws is lazy analysis. nobody will ever sell $4 lunch bowls in SF because the rent is too high. so these market incentives will influence/force the proprietor to sell them for more!

failing to understand that the rent is too high because of zoning laws is lazy analysis.

Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

#36

Ok… if this is the case, then why are food trucks charging $18 for a burger and fries now? It isn’t all zoning laws.

from the article:

> But the restaurant industry fights to limit food trucks. On average, food trucks must handle 45 separate regulatory procedures and spend $28,276 on associated fees.

Lets napkin-math this. If we assume a food truck has margins at the upper end of the fast-casual industry of 9%, then each $18 burger-and-fries nets 1.62 in profit.

$28,276 / 1.62 = 17,454 burgers-and-fries.

If you were open every day of the year and assume no seasonality, that means your first 49 orders every day go just to regulatory fees.

And that doesn't cover any of the other fees and expenses a food truck might have.

Those are brutal economics. I'm impressed it's only $18!

Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

#37

I serve as a planning commissioner for my city, and my city just recently tried to overhaul our zoning code to allow for more affordability and better economic outcomes for our citizens and future as a city. Here is what I have learned: In the US, few people participate or care about local laws, zoning, and elections, or even understand why participation may be important. In a citizen ballot to determine if we should…

A good start would be to allow everyone living in the city to vote. I don't care about politics, zoning or planning if I am not allowed to vote or participate. There isn't anything I can do, so why bother putting effort into it?

Did you not register to vote or something?

Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

#38

Pay Japanese salaries, get Japanese prices [0]. That $4 kombini bento feels like a $13 burrito or Cava bowl when on a Japanese salary. Japan only appears cheap if you earn in USD, GBP, and Euros. For most Japanese households, costs have risen higher than salaries [1][2] and they are now facing inflation due to tourist spending [7][8][9]. It also doesn't help that the median household income in Japan is around $25,000…

> Japan’s minimum wage ($6.68 an hour) is similar to America’s ($7.25).

But does anyone actually make minimum wage in the US? Statistics i can find suggest it is around 1% with Japan closer to 20%.

Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

#39

I've been to the US a couple of times and most restaurants I visited did not have any parking spots at all. I have also seen plenty of food-carts operated by a single person, comparable to the Japanese mini-restaurants described here.

I'm guessing you stayed in a major city and didn't drive anywhere outside of it? If you flew in and didn't have a rental car, odds are your itinerary was biased towards places that didn't need a car?
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