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Confer – End to end encrypted AI chat
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#92The website is: https://confer.to/ "Confer - Truly private AI. Your space to think." "Your Data Remains Yours, Never trained on. Never sold. Never shared. Nobody can access it but you." "Continue With Google" Make of that what you will.
Looks like using Google for login. You can also "Continue with Email." Logging in with Google is pretty standard.
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#93What he did with messaging... So he will centralize all of it with known broken SGX metadata protections, weak supply chain integrity, and a mandate everyone supply their phone numbers and agree to Apple or Google terms of service to use it?
Not sure why you're gettimg downvoted. This is exactly what he did to instant messaging; extremely damaging to everyone and without solid arguments for such design.
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#94what did he do for messaging? Signal is hardly more private than goddamn Whatsapp. in fact, given that Whatsapp had not been heavily shilled as the "totally private messenger for journalists and whistleblowers :^)" by the establishment media, I distrust it less. edit @ -4 points: please go ahead and explain why does Signal need your phone number and reject third party clients.
Yeah, it seems kind of funny how Signal is marketed as a somewhat paranoid solution, but most people run it on an iPhone out of the app store with no way to verify the source. All it takes is one villain to infiltrate one of a few offices and Signal falls apart.
Same goes for Whatsapp, but the marketing is different there.
Re: Confer – End to end encrypted AI chat
#95The website is: https://confer.to/ "Confer - Truly private AI. Your space to think." "Your Data Remains Yours, Never trained on. Never sold. Never shared. Nobody can access it but you." "Continue With Google" Make of that what you will.
Looks like using Google for login. You can also "Continue with Email." Logging in with Google is pretty standard.
It is not privacy oriented if you are sharing login, profile information with Google and Confer.
It wouldn't be long until Google and Gemini can read this information and Google knows you are using Confer.
Wouldn't trust it regardless if Email is available.
The fact that confer allows Google login shows that Confer doesn't care about users privacy.
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#96I do wonder what models it uses under the hood.
ChatGPT already knows more about me than Google did before LLMs, but would I switch to inferior models to preserve privacy? Hard tradeoff.
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#97What he did with messaging... So he will centralize all of it with known broken SGX metadata protections, weak supply chain integrity, and a mandate everyone supply their phone numbers and agree to Apple or Google terms of service to use it?
Do you know a better alternative that I can get my elderly parents and non-technical friends to use?
I haven’t come across one and from my amateur POV it seems much better than WhatsApp or Telegram.
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#98Backdoor it?
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#99What he did with messaging... So he will centralize all of it with known broken SGX metadata protections, weak supply chain integrity, and a mandate everyone supply their phone numbers and agree to Apple or Google terms of service to use it?
Not sure why you're gettimg downvoted. This is exactly what he did to instant messaging; extremely damaging to everyone and without solid arguments for such design.
Or, he took a barely niché messaging app plugin (OTR), improved it to provide forward secrecy for non-round trips, and deployed the current state-of-the art end-to-end encryption to over 3,000,000,000 users, as Signal isn't the only tool to use double-ratchet E2EE.
>broken SGX metadata protections
Citation needed. Also, SGX is just there to try to verify what the server is doing, including that the server isn't collecting metadata. The real talking is done by the responses to warrants https://signal.org/bigbrother/ where they've been able to hand over only two timestamps of when the user created their account and when they were last seen. If that's not good enough for you, you're better off using Tor-p2p messengers that don't have servers collecting your metadata at all, such as Cwtch or Quiet.
>weak supply chain integrity
You can download the app as an .apk from their website if you don't trust Google Play Store.
>a mandate everyone supply their phone numbers
That's how you combat spam. It sucks but there are very few options outside the corner of Zooko's triangle that has your username look like "4sci35xrhp2d45gbm3qpta7ogfedonuw2mucmc36jxemucd7fmgzj3ad".
>and agree to Apple or Google terms of service to use it?
Yeah that's what happens when you create a phone app for the masses.
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
Looks like using Google for login. You can also "Continue with Email." Logging in with Google is pretty standard.
It is not privacy oriented if you are sharing login, profile information with Google and Confer. It wouldn't be long until Google and Gemini can read this information and Google knows you are using Confer. Wouldn't trust it regardless if Email is available. The fact that confer allows Google login shows that Confer doesn't care about users privacy.
You don’t have to use Google login though?
People building solutions like this that aim for broad adoption have to make certain compromises and this seems OK to me (just talking about offering a social login option, haven’t checked the whole project in detail)