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Boeing knew of flaw in part linked to UPS plane crash, NTSB report says

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Re: Boeing knew of flaw in part linked to UPS plane crash, NTSB report says

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Or you can simply delete the message. You've posted a race-loaded analysis from an AI that called itself MechHitler because "somebody" decided to mess with the prompt.

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> I guess you should do your own manual research showing that the US pilots are indeed superior and post it now.

Someone who can’t cook can still identify a shit sandwich as bad food.

Re: Boeing knew of flaw in part linked to UPS plane crash, NTSB report says

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> That does not however answer the question of whether they just got lucky, or were more skilled, though there are some indications that it may have been skill. What a load of bullcrap. Full stop. The crews of the two crashed 737Max were also well trained, skilled professionals. That the US-based crews decided to re-engage the auto-pilot, and with that action, by sheer luck, managed to bypass the fatal MCAS issues, s…

Shear luck is mostly used when you hope the sheep you're shearing doesn't kick you in the face.

Takes me back to a two decade long robotic sheep shearing project Shear Magic ..

there's a 1992 wrap up book on that: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/robotica/article/abs...

all a bit before Boston Dynamics.

Re: Boeing knew of flaw in part linked to UPS plane crash, NTSB report says

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Well yes but Boeing also said it "would not result in a safety of flight condition." There's a lot of gray going on here.

Yeah saved boeing losing face and sales by requiring all the planes be grounded and fixed. Just eye it up every 5 years, if you want to.

And that’s how McDonnell Douglas took over Boeing from the inside and eroded its engineering mindset altogether.

Re: Boeing knew of flaw in part linked to UPS plane crash, NTSB report says

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> I guess you should do your own manual research showing that the US pilots are indeed superior and post it now. Someone who can’t cook can still identify a shit sandwich as bad food.

I don't see any identification attempt, its just a freak out over the sandwich shop they apparently hate with passion.

Re: Boeing knew of flaw in part linked to UPS plane crash, NTSB report says

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Some are forgetting how risk in technology works: No technology is designed or operated without flaws; that's an absurd approach and impossible to implement. To reduce negative outcomes, we use risk management: assessing the likely lifetime cost of the flaw, and taking cost-effective measures to reduce the risk to an acceptable level. As a familiar example, redundant mass storage drives are much more cost-effective t…

They do mention that the DC10 (this plane's predecessor) was decommissioned for similar issues.

The DC-10 and MD-11 are both McDonnell Douglas. They merged into Boeing, but instead of Boeing’s safety and innovation oriented culture, McDonnell‘s finance bros won with their cost and corner cutting measures.

Aviation rules are written by blood, you either follow them or you add a few more lines with your own blood.

Re: Boeing knew of flaw in part linked to UPS plane crash, NTSB report says

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I recall a lot of fingerpointing minutes after the crash by people blaming the presumably foreign maintenance crew. Even now there is a lot of uncertainty around this crash, maintenance - or lack thereof - or even wrong maintenance could still be a factor. But given the location of the part asking for a 'visual inspection' is a pretty strange move, the part is all but inaccessible when it is in its normal position an…

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Re: Boeing knew of flaw in part linked to UPS plane crash, NTSB report says

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> That does not however answer the question of whether they just got lucky, or were more skilled, though there are some indications that it may have been skill. What a load of bullcrap. Full stop. The crews of the two crashed 737Max were also well trained, skilled professionals. That the US-based crews decided to re-engage the auto-pilot, and with that action, by sheer luck, managed to bypass the fatal MCAS issues, s…

Shear luck is mostly used when you hope the sheep you're shearing doesn't kick you in the face.

Lol! Corrected. :-)

Re: Boeing knew of flaw in part linked to UPS plane crash, NTSB report says

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Correct. And you could pay for the MCAS to use both sensors which all US airlines did. Edit: I was misremembering. Both sensors were enabled on all planes and MCAS only used one at a time on all planes. What was disabled, unless paid for, was software which displayed to the pilots that the 2 sensors were disagreeing, which would immediately have alerted them to what may have been wrong. > According to Bjorn Fehrm, Ae…

It’s kinda darkly refreshing that purchases in the tens/hundreds of millions of dollars still try to nickel and dime you.

I believe it goes like this:

    Boeing: Do you want a two line code which triggers a potentially life-saving warning when your flying sausage with wings has an important sensor malfunction?
    Customer: Of course!
    Boeing: That'll be $25K, thanks.
Also, no-smoking light toggle labeled Off - Auto - On is being relabeled and rewired to On - On - On is hilarious.

Re: Boeing knew of flaw in part linked to UPS plane crash, NTSB report says

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They do mention that the DC10 (this plane's predecessor) was decommissioned for similar issues.

This article does not? And the DC-10 was not decommissioned. It is, in fact, still in service.

They may have meant grounded, not decommissioned. DC-10s were grounded alongside the MD-11s.

https://www.flightglobal.com/safety/us-faa-broadens-md-11-gr...

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