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Re: Ask HN: How can we solve the loneliness epidemic?

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You have to be the one who creates things to do. Really, that’s it. You want to play D&D together, you host and DM. You want to just hang out, you reach out and propose what you’re doing. You want more purposeful and meaningful time, join a volunteer group you vibe with. Even if it’s meeting for coffee. You have to be the one who reaches out. You have to do it on a regular cadence. If, like me, you don’t have little…

people are so fucked up by consumerism that they expect to be just consumers also in their sociality... like they expect that social relations to be like commodities.

in consumer societies people flee real freedom's anxiety by conforming to market ways, treating connections as consumption not production. lasting bonds need effort patience vulnerability, all anti-consumer virtues.

Fromm said that in market societies love and relations follow the commodity and labor market exchange pattern. they want low-effort replaceable humans. So they became low-effort replaceable humans.

Re: Ask HN: How can we solve the loneliness epidemic?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see this as quite a problem in the US. The default place a lonely person has to go is usually a church - where you can expect a modicum, possibly even a seeming profusion, of welcome. This is their hook. They provide automatic acceptance - of sorts. This is also how the right wing fascist regime convinced people to let Trump take over the country - propaganda through the churches. The only other options people hear…

> where you can expect a modicum, possibly even a seeming profusion, of welcome. This is their hook. Do you think that, possibly, they're really just happy to see you?

It's called "Love Bombing" and it's almost always a precursor to abuse and/or exploitation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_bombing

Re: Ask HN: How can we solve the loneliness epidemic?

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You have to be the one who creates things to do. Really, that’s it. You want to play D&D together, you host and DM. You want to just hang out, you reach out and propose what you’re doing. You want more purposeful and meaningful time, join a volunteer group you vibe with. Even if it’s meeting for coffee. You have to be the one who reaches out. You have to do it on a regular cadence. If, like me, you don’t have little…

So what you're saying is you basically have to give. This is what I find real life is like. Unless I'm giving something, like a ride to some interesting place, people are not interested in me at all. They just want to get something from me, that's it.

Many years ago I read the classic 'How to win friends and influence people' and I was just hit with, according to that book, how little people actually care about other people and how fundamentally lonely our existence is.

I don't think that was the message the book was trying to give, but that's what I got out of it.

So yes, people will wonder, subconsciously or not, what's in it for them. If you can give status or if you are naturally entertaining, this might all seem a little less obvious.

Re: Ask HN: How can we solve the loneliness epidemic?

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Spending time in parts of Latin America or western Europe or east Asia and then coming back to the US, you can see a lot of ways in which we've built loneliness into the fabric of US culture. It goes beyond car culture. It's probably illegal to build a cafe within walking distance of your neighborhood or into the first floor of your apartment complex. Americans get an idea of how bad we have it when we go on vacation…

American culture allows you folks to talk to each other, though. Growing up British means that I literally can't talk to a stranger unless I'm in a pub and have two pints inside me.

There's a loophole. All dog owners are allowed to strike up conversations with other dog owners about their dogs.

That's only if you like dogs, I guess.

Re: Ask HN: How can we solve the loneliness epidemic?

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I‘m a cofounder of a German loneliness startup. My core insight is that loneliness often stems from a badly adjusted internal social threat function ( f(social event)=perceived threat ). This function runs subconsciously all day long. From talking to strangers to reaching out to a friend, the lonely mind is much more aware of negative outcomes, so your mind protects you by telling you things like „I don’t talk to str…

It's excellent that you're working on loneliness! Somehow. What is it your startup actually does?

Re: Ask HN: How can we solve the loneliness epidemic?

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I felt lonely most of my life. Social anxiety didn't help. Therapy did.

Now I build a life focused on that very much. I go to work at wework, talk to people *everywhere*, joined a bunch of run clubs and just prioritize social stuff. If I don't ask people, walk up to them and say hi, nothing's gonna happen. Reach out to people, say hi, do stuff. Loneliness correlates with low agency I think. Say yes to stuff. Ask people to join for coworking, for going to the gym, a run. Whatever. Go out of your way to increase your social circle. That simple.

And get off your fucking screen and go outside, touch some grass. The internet doesn't help.

Re: Ask HN: How can we solve the loneliness epidemic?

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I see this is still front-page news.

There’s really two main ingredients to loneliness:

1) We don’t meet others in a way that sparks relationships.

2) We have personal issues that interfere with our ability to have relationships.

#1 is fairly straightforward. We have the ability to make friends; but lack the opportunity. If we can meet and interact with others, we’ll make friends, and mitigate our isolation. We need to “get out more.” We can join organizations, go places, right-swipe on apps, and we’ll eventually break our isolation. I’ve found that a key is to get together with others, over shared interests or goals.

#2 is a different beast. We need to work on ourselves, first and foremost. We may often need help, like therapy or guided self-help. Usually, there’s a lot of pretty humbling work involved. If we don’t treat the root cause (our own issues), then we can meet as many people as possible, and we’ll still be lonely.

Lots of potential reasons for our problems. Could be trauma, neurodivergence, addiction, mental health problems, personal insecurity, or simply lack of experience. Often, a combination of these.

The good news is, is that if we get serious about treating our own issues, we will absolutely end the isolation. Almost every treatment involves a lot of interaction with others, and relationship-building.

For myself, I was definitely in the #2 category. I’m “on the spectrum,” and I had an addiction problem. Intervention was required, and I needed to stop running, turn around, and face my demons. I needed to learn to ask for, and, even more importantly, accept, help. I had to develop a taste for crow and humble pie. Doing this, changed everything.

That was 45 years ago, when I was 18. The road has been anything but smooth, but it’s always been onward and upward. Today, I have close relationships all over the world, with an enormous variety of people, and have done work that affects thousands of lives in a positive manner.

I’ve also found that helping others to deal with their own issues has been effective.

Re: Ask HN: How can we solve the loneliness epidemic?

#798

Why just join a local Kingdom Hall near you? People will genuinely love you there.

For clarification, "Kingdom Hall" is "Jehovah's Witnesses".

You know, the people who knock on your door and you pretend you're not home, because having a conversation with one of these people is about as fun as colonoscopy prep.

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