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Re: Tldraw pauses external contributions due to AI slop

#32

A LinkedIn comment I made on an adjacent topic: > If the job market is unfavourable to juniors, become senior. That requires networking with a depth deep enough that other professionals are willing to critique your work. So... open-source contributions, I guess? This increases pressure on senior developers who are the current maintainers of open-source packages at the same time that AI is stealing the attention econo…

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Re: Tldraw pauses external contributions due to AI slop

#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Understanding (not necessarily reading) always was the real work. AI makes people less productive because it's speeding up the thing that wasn't hard (generating code), while generating additional burden on the thing that was hard (understanding the code).

There are many cases in which I already understand the code before it is written. In these cases AI writing the code is pure gain. I do not need to spend 30 minutes learning how to hold the bazel rule. I do not need to spend 30 minutes to write client boilerplate. List goes on. All broad claims about AI's effects on productivity have counterexamples. It is situational. I think most competent engineers quietly using A…

> There are many cases in which I already understand the code before it is written. In these cases AI writing the code is pure gain.

That's only true if the LLM understands the code in the same way you do - that is, it shares your expectations about architecture and structure. In my experience, once the architecture or design of an application diverges from the average path extracted from training data, performance seriously degrades.

You wind up with the LLM creating duplicate functions to do things that are already handled in code, or using different libraries than your code already does.

Re: Tldraw pauses external contributions due to AI slop

#35

A LinkedIn comment I made on an adjacent topic: > If the job market is unfavourable to juniors, become senior. That requires networking with a depth deep enough that other professionals are willing to critique your work. So... open-source contributions, I guess? This increases pressure on senior developers who are the current maintainers of open-source packages at the same time that AI is stealing the attention econo…

> If the job market is unfavourable to juniors, become senior.

Don't love your job, job your love.

Re: Tldraw pauses external contributions due to AI slop

#36

Seems like reading the code is now the real work. AI writes PRs instantly but reviewing them still takes time. Everything flipped. Expect more projects to follow - maintainers can just use ai themselves without needing external contributions.

I actually think Ada has good potential as an AI adjacent language because the syntax is optimised for readability (I personally find it very readable too.)

Re: Tldraw pauses external contributions due to AI slop

#37
post #4

They invited AI in by creating a comprehensive list of instructions for AI agents - in the README, in a context.md, and even as yarn scripts. What did they expect?

I still find it useful to vibe code in a private fork. For example with yt-dlp its now super easy to add a website with Claude for personal use, but that doesn't mean it's appropriate to open a PR.

Re: Tldraw pauses external contributions due to AI slop

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Understanding (not necessarily reading) always was the real work. AI makes people less productive because it's speeding up the thing that wasn't hard (generating code), while generating additional burden on the thing that was hard (understanding the code).

There are many cases in which I already understand the code before it is written. In these cases AI writing the code is pure gain. I do not need to spend 30 minutes learning how to hold the bazel rule. I do not need to spend 30 minutes to write client boilerplate. List goes on. All broad claims about AI's effects on productivity have counterexamples. It is situational. I think most competent engineers quietly using A…

> There are many cases in which I already understand the code before it is written.

Typing speed is your bottleneck?

Re: Tldraw pauses external contributions due to AI slop

#39
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They invited AI in by creating a comprehensive list of instructions for AI agents - in the README, in a context.md, and even as yarn scripts. What did they expect?

Hey, Steve from tldraw here. We use AI tools to develop tldraw. The tools are not the problem, they're just changing the fundamentals (e.g. a well-formed PR is no longer a sign of thoughtful engagement, a large PR shows more effort than a small PR, etc) and accelerating other latent issues in contribution.

About the README etc: we ship an SDK and a lot of people use our source code as docs or a prototyping environment. I think a lot about agents as consumers of the codebase and I want help them navigate the monorepo quickly. That said, I'm not sure if the CONTEXT.md system I made for tldraw is actually that useful... new models are good at finding their way around and I also worry that we don't update them enough. I've found that bad directions are worse than no directions over time.

Re: Tldraw pauses external contributions due to AI slop

#40

> claude added the Task issue type 4 hours ago is this satire?

I have a GitHub action that labels and tags issues automatically. It also standardizes the issue title. I love this script and would recommend it to anyone. https://github.com/tldraw/tldraw/blob/ce745d1ecc1236633d2bf6...
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