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Re: Briar keeps Iran connected via Bluetooth and Wi-Fi when the internet goes dark

#91

I think meshtastic would be a lot more performant in mesh scenarios due to the added range of LoRa. But of course it's special hardware and thus suspicious during an insurrection. And probably just not available. I doubt this will actually work though except in the densest city.

Meshtastic also struggles with high density and high traffic networks. Some modifications can be made to work better, but with the default settings it really grinds to a halt, and modifying the settings to be better suited requires some expertise and foresight. It works amazingly in off grid, relatively sparse networks, but it's got some major limitations.

Re: Briar keeps Iran connected via Bluetooth and Wi-Fi when the internet goes dark

#92

Does anyone remember yik-yak? It wasn't anonymous and resilient like briar, but it was great in its time to discover people near-by and start chatting. Does anyone if briar relays traffic? like if at least one person in a wifi network has briar and they also connect by bluetooth to another person within an adjacent wifi network, does it relay messages from one end of the city to the other over dozens of devices?

No they sadly don't have that, and that's the major issue of connectivity. All chat recipients have to be online/reachable to receive your messages, which is okay, but useless in mobile environments where you can't afford that constant traffic.

The broadcast type channels though are what the article talks about, they are great for off the grid and mesh environments.

Relaying and scattering traffic across neighboring peers (and handshakes via multicast DNS, for example) would fix a lot of the issues you'll get with Briar, but I guess that would imply a refactor of the codebase.

For these types of NAT breaking issues, a lot of protocols rely on STUN/TURN/TURTLE routing.

For my experimental software router I'm relying on broken firewall deep packet inspection, so I'm using exfil / smuggling protocols. Currently still works, according to my local setup of the great firewall (it's source leak was legit btw).

Re: Briar keeps Iran connected via Bluetooth and Wi-Fi when the internet goes dark

#94
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>the more people who use it, the more robust and far-reaching and reliable it gets. I was under the opposite impression, that meshtastic's whole problem is that it doesn't scale well at all.

I'm genuinely interested in learning more about the shortcomings of meshtastic if you have a link to share. Groups like the Anarchist Black Cross seem really supportive of the tech for disaster situations. Even Benn Jordan claimed it played an important role during the floods in NC

My understanding is that it relates to the flood routing in meshtastic. I haven't heard a real-world failure example, but another comment on this post mentioned defcon being a case (I don't know anything about that).

I did find this assessment:

https://www.disk91.com/2024/technology/lora/critical-analysi...

And here is Meshtastics explanation of the rationale behind 'managed flood routing':

https://meshtastic.org/blog/why-meshtastic-uses-managed-floo...

I think I first heard about the differences from Andy Kirby, one of the MeshCore creators: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNWf0Mh2fJw

Re: Briar keeps Iran connected via Bluetooth and Wi-Fi when the internet goes dark

#95

Does anyone remember yik-yak? It wasn't anonymous and resilient like briar, but it was great in its time to discover people near-by and start chatting. Does anyone if briar relays traffic? like if at least one person in a wifi network has briar and they also connect by bluetooth to another person within an adjacent wifi network, does it relay messages from one end of the city to the other over dozens of devices?

Jodel is a successor to yik-yak.

Re: Briar keeps Iran connected via Bluetooth and Wi-Fi when the internet goes dark

#96
Take heed, Americaneez -- and prepare, because this may be in your future sooner than prediction markets would have you believe [1].

LoRa mesh networking seems like the runner-up, but vague reports indicate (Meshtastic) doesn't handle crowds well.

I think Bitchat can use Meshtastic, so a LoRa radio paired with a phone could be a base for not just texting individuals, but community messaging.

1: https://polymarket.com/event/us-civil-war-before-2027

Re: Briar keeps Iran connected via Bluetooth and Wi-Fi when the internet goes dark

#97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure so many Iranians have $1000 iphones to use hipster bitchat; cheaper android clients are more the norm.

While bitchat was originally iOS only during release, they released the Android version shortly after https://bitchat.free/ (scroll down)

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Re: Briar keeps Iran connected via Bluetooth and Wi-Fi when the internet goes dark

#98

Perhaps Americans should start preparing with Meshtastic / Meshcore, just in case....... ..,..the Emperor seems hellbent on bringing martial law into effect.

Do you think the govt will not force Google to revoke developer certs once developer verification is in place to prevent sideloading or not order Google/Apple to forcibly uninstall them ?

These are great tools in American toolkit if it wants to do a regime change in other countries. Their effectiveness within America are questionable.

Re: Briar keeps Iran connected via Bluetooth and Wi-Fi when the internet goes dark

#99

Just the default web-layout shown here is ... awful. How can people use that? That design is like 1990 ... but worse.

What's wrong with it?

I guess too many links at the beginning, but other than that it looks like your average website, just RTL.

Re: Briar keeps Iran connected via Bluetooth and Wi-Fi when the internet goes dark

#100
I like briar for the fact that i already have the hardware...

I like meshtastic for not needing the network related devices for their hardware

What I'd like is something that is platform agnostic... I want an app that i can install, a (tor like) server i can setup that will anonymously route and fwd messages and really cheap and easy hardware that will let me pop up mini repeaters on demand. Would also like to be able to send images and maybe videos, but for the network to be smart enough to only send them when the bandwidth is there

I may just stick with briar in the mean time, but seriously none of them seem to offer what i want.

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