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Re: Tldraw pauses external contributions due to AI slop

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Post by csomar »

corndoge wrote: post #18
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Understanding (not necessarily reading) always was the real work. AI makes people less productive because it's speeding up the thing that wasn't hard (generating code), while generating additional burden on the thing that was hard (understanding the code).

There are many cases in which I already understand the code before it is written. In these cases AI writing the code is pure gain. I do not need to spend 30 minutes learning how to hold the bazel rule. I do not need to spend 30 minutes to write client boilerplate. List goes on. All broad claims about AI's effects on productivity have counterexamples. It is situational. I think most competent engineers quietly using A…

I mean we did copy/paste before this? Also create-react-app is basically that. And probably better than a stochastic AI generating it.

Re: Tldraw pauses external contributions due to AI slop

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Post by mannanj »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #13
sbondaryev wrote: post #2

Seems like reading the code is now the real work. AI writes PRs instantly but reviewing them still takes time. Everything flipped. Expect more projects to follow - maintainers can just use ai themselves without needing external contributions.

Understanding (not necessarily reading) always was the real work. AI makes people less productive because it's speeding up the thing that wasn't hard (generating code), while generating additional burden on the thing that was hard (understanding the code).

AI makes people less productive because it’s speeding up the thing that was hard: training AI for better future AI.

The productivity gets siphoned to the AI companies owning the AI.

Re: Tldraw pauses external contributions due to AI slop

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Post by binary132 »

Analemma_ wrote: post #3
sbondaryev wrote: post #2

Seems like reading the code is now the real work. AI writes PRs instantly but reviewing them still takes time. Everything flipped. Expect more projects to follow - maintainers can just use ai themselves without needing external contributions.

This is probably true, and while I expect productivity to go up, I also expect "FOSS maintainer burnout" to skyrocket in the coming years. Everyone knows reading code is one-hundredth as fun as writing it, and while we have to accept some amount of reading as the "eating your vegetables" part of the job, FOSS project maintainers are often in a precarious enough position as it is re: job satisfaction. I think having t…

Not to worry! Microslop probably has a product in the works to replace disgruntled open-source maintainers with agreeable, high-review-throughput agentic systems.

Re: Tldraw pauses external contributions due to AI slop

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Post by judahmeek »

A LinkedIn comment I made on an adjacent topic:

> If the job market is unfavourable to juniors, become senior.

That requires networking with a depth deep enough that other professionals are willing to critique your work.

So... open-source contributions, I guess?

This increases pressure on senior developers who are the current maintainers of open-source packages at the same time that AI is stealing the attention economy that previously rewarded open-source work.

Seems like we need something like blockchain gas on open-source PRs to reduce spam, incentivize open-source maintainers, and enable others to signal their support for suggestions while also putting money where their mouth is.

Re: Tldraw pauses external contributions due to AI slop

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Post by floortepw »

pella wrote: post #19
kanzure wrote: post #9

That's interesting; another project stopped letting users directly open issues: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46460319

Check Ghostty "CONTRIBUTING.md#ai-assistance-notice" "The Ghostty project allows AI-assisted code contributions, which must be properly disclosed in the pull request." https://github.com/ghostty-org/ghostty/blob/main/CONTRIBUTIN... Mitchell Hashimoto (2025-12-30): "Slop drives me crazy and it feels like 95+% of bug reports, but man, AI code analysis is getting really good. There are users out there reporting bugs tha…

You conveniently left off the follow up.

> @zeroxBigBoss: .. It's not all AI, I have experience with Zig and MacOS, ..

> @mitchellh: I appreciate it! And my bad on the experience, I must have misunderstood or misremembered your messages

Use xcancel. For the very least to see an entire thread.

Re: Tldraw pauses external contributions due to AI slop

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Post by internetter »

patcon wrote: post #8
sbondaryev wrote: post #2

Seems like reading the code is now the real work. AI writes PRs instantly but reviewing them still takes time. Everything flipped. Expect more projects to follow - maintainers can just use ai themselves without needing external contributions.

In the civic tech hacknight community I'm part of, it's hard to collaborate the same now, at least when people are using AI. Mostly because now code often feels so disposable and fast. It's like the pace layers have changed It's been proposed that we start collaborating in specs, and just keep regenerating the code like it's CI, to get back to the feeling of collaboration without holding back on the energy and speed…

> Mostly because now code often feels so disposable and fast

I really like this thought. We used to take pride in elegant solutions and architectural designs. Now, in the era of shipping fast and AI, this has been disregarded. Redundancy is everywhere, spaghetti is normalized. AI code has always been unsettling for me and I think this is why.

Re: Tldraw pauses external contributions due to AI slop

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Post by pjmlp »

internetter wrote: post #26
patcon wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the civic tech hacknight community I'm part of, it's hard to collaborate the same now, at least when people are using AI. Mostly because now code often feels so disposable and fast. It's like the pace layers have changed It's been proposed that we start collaborating in specs, and just keep regenerating the code like it's CI, to get back to the feeling of collaboration without holding back on the energy and speed…

> Mostly because now code often feels so disposable and fast I really like this thought. We used to take pride in elegant solutions and architectural designs. Now, in the era of shipping fast and AI, this has been disregarded. Redundancy is everywhere, spaghetti is normalized. AI code has always been unsettling for me and I think this is why.

Think 1 shops, now that factories have fully taken over.

I see a future where those that survive are doing mostly architecture work, and a few druids are hired by AI companies.

Re: Tldraw pauses external contributions due to AI slop

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Post by trhway »

mannanj wrote: post #22
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Understanding (not necessarily reading) always was the real work. AI makes people less productive because it's speeding up the thing that wasn't hard (generating code), while generating additional burden on the thing that was hard (understanding the code).

AI makes people less productive because it’s speeding up the thing that was hard: training AI for better future AI. The productivity gets siphoned to the AI companies owning the AI.

That is how the main point of the Das Kapital looks in the modern, AI, world.

Re: Tldraw pauses external contributions due to AI slop

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Post by suddenlybananas »

floortepw wrote: post #25
pella wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check Ghostty "CONTRIBUTING.md#ai-assistance-notice" "The Ghostty project allows AI-assisted code contributions, which must be properly disclosed in the pull request." https://github.com/ghostty-org/ghostty/blob/main/CONTRIBUTIN... Mitchell Hashimoto (2025-12-30): "Slop drives me crazy and it feels like 95+% of bug reports, but man, AI code analysis is getting really good. There are users out there reporting bugs tha…

You conveniently left off the follow up. > @zeroxBigBoss: .. It's not all AI, I have experience with Zig and MacOS, .. > @mitchellh: I appreciate it! And my bad on the experience, I must have misunderstood or misremembered your messages Use xcancel. For the very least to see an entire thread.

Every time.

Re: Tldraw pauses external contributions due to AI slop

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Post by ironbound »

mannanj wrote: post #22
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Understanding (not necessarily reading) always was the real work. AI makes people less productive because it's speeding up the thing that wasn't hard (generating code), while generating additional burden on the thing that was hard (understanding the code).

AI makes people less productive because it’s speeding up the thing that was hard: training AI for better future AI. The productivity gets siphoned to the AI companies owning the AI.

You'll be unsurprised how many AI poison pill projects are on GitHub
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