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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by throwaway853578 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #373
agubelu wrote: post #366

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So you don't do anything because you have a job you need to keep and a kid to take care of, but you're perfectly okay with moving to a completely different country on short notice?

The US, for better or worse, isn't a cohesive country of people interested in a collective, but a smash and grab of economic gains sourced from those who are forced to live in it and cannot flee to developed countries. You come to it, or stay in it, to make more income you would in developed countries at the detriment of everyone else. Whether you believe the economic human factory farm that is the US is worth saving…

Calling the USA a "economic human factory farm" is the best thing I've heard all year.

Yeah we have some perks here. But they're not as rare as our propaganda would have us believe and we sure do pay for them in various ways.

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Post by deeg »

xyzelement wrote: post #465
embedding-shape wrote: post #315

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If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

I think it's something different than "Americans are passive" - rather, many of them/us perceive the context of what you're seeing very differently. I can share some of this perspective though I don't insist it's the only way to feel. 1. Americans on the ground are clearly feeling the effects of illegal immigration. As an example: a an African American janitor in our kids' school voted republican in 2024 for the firs…

Where is there plenty of people violently rioting?

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Post by embedding-shape »

throwaway853578 wrote: post #472
embedding-shape wrote: post #442

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Fair, avoiding violence is usually not the way to go, so fair point. Protesting does do something though, the very least showing other people a direction to go in, to at least show something. It's hard to argue it does nothing, because images and videos do end up on social media and the news, and you really need the rest of the population on your side, if you actually want to change stuff. You know what actually does…

> You know what actually doesn't do a damn thing? Not doing a damn thing. Literally anything is better than nothing, just showing support is better than nothing. Talking about it is better than nothing. That's fair. And I'm talking about it right now and everywhere else I can in safe ways. As far as protesting goes, I agree with you. It is better than nothing. It does help show people they're not alone. But as I said…

If nothing else, thank you for sharing your honest perspective, I appreciate it :)

> Or I suppose a more truthful way of saying it is it's not worth it for me because of the sacrifices I'd have to make just for the chance of getting hurt or being added to a list.

It's really sad to hear that the chilling effect is working so effectively. I of course understand why you make the choice you make, that's not strange, but that they managed to turn your society into this is nothing but sad to hear.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by nullocator »

fourseventy wrote: post #66
the__alchemist wrote: post #48

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Do you truly believe that is the intent behind the use of ICE in MN and beyond, and that is where it will stop?

Yes. ICE has existed long before Trump and will exist after. Deportation of illegal immigrants is not a new thing.

Trump as demonstrated that the next president has full authority to disassemble and disband effectively any agency or federal organization that they like. So I wouldn't be so sure that ICE will exist after Trump, assuming we continue to have fair elections which is a big if I guess.

I certainly would consider voting for a candidate who expressed a desire to exercise this authority and presidential power to defund ICE, fire and federally blacklist all of it's former employees during that presidents term.

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Post by chinathrow »

basket_horse wrote: post #441
pixl97 wrote: post #107

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The particular problem here is the vast majority of people that are writing this software 1. Don't care, blood is great. 2. Think they are the good guys. 3. Are more worried about their next paycheck and having bad things happen to them related to not paying rent.

I don’t think it’s really this simple. Palantir is a major government contractor that enables it to be more tech savvy. It’s embedded through hundreds of teams / agencies. You can’t remain a credible partner if you play morality police on every workflow. Palantir has worked through multiple administrations of both parties and have to support whoever is in power to have a seat at the table. Ultimately the question is…

> Ultimately the question is just: would you prefer to have a competent or incompetent government?

Is this a joke? Have you looked at the current administration?

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Post by goatlover »

embedding-shape wrote: post #315
andrewvc wrote: post #19

For an idea as to how this gets translated into the reality on the ground here in Minneapolis this is an article on what’s going on from the main newspaper in the state. > In the past week alone, ICE boxed in a Woodbury real estate agent recording their movements from his car, slammed him to the ground and detained him at the Whipple Federal Building near Fort Snelling for 10 hours. A 51-year-old teacher patrolling t…

If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

Minneapolis mayor told protestors to remain peaceful. The Democrats always want to follow the rules even when the other side has abandoned them. To be fair to Mayor Frye though, Trump wants to provoke rioting to invoke the Insurrection Act, which he threatened to do today if the Democratic officials don't "fall in line". So there is that.

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Post by RickJWagner »

embedding-shape wrote: post #315
andrewvc wrote: post #19

For an idea as to how this gets translated into the reality on the ground here in Minneapolis this is an article on what’s going on from the main newspaper in the state. > In the past week alone, ICE boxed in a Woodbury real estate agent recording their movements from his car, slammed him to the ground and detained him at the Whipple Federal Building near Fort Snelling for 10 hours. A 51-year-old teacher patrolling t…

If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

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Post by mosura »

ceejayoz wrote: post #96
mosura wrote: post #81

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That link makes no sense for your comment, but it was an interesting insight into your thinking.

I'll ask more directly, then, I suppose. Do you believe Trump should be immune to those felony convictions? Are you… selective in which laws you like?

When you have accepted there is a need to enforce immigration law, starting with removing those without existing legal status, we can proceed.

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Post by alex43578 »

shlip wrote: post #461
embedding-shape wrote: post #315

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If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me -…

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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by tremon »

Amezarak wrote: post #462
tremon wrote: post #454

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy

That’s not an answer. Please explain why it’s a bad thing that Palantir had produced an application that shows ICE agents the probable addresses of people they’re supposed to deport along with information about them. If the answer is “I don’t believe in immigration law and the government should not enforce it regardless of what people vote for”, that’s a completely acceptable answer.

I wasn't answering you. I was calling out the vicious sleight of hand where you reduce what ICE is doing to the innocently-sounding "immigrants who legally need to be deported".
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