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Americans Overwhelmingly Support Science, but Some Think the U.S. Is Lagging

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Re: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Science, but Some Think the U.S. Is Lagging

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Everyone in the world "supports" science, exactly the same way everyone "supports" healthy lifestyles, democracy and other "good things". The problem is that everyone has a different idea of what these good things are. For some, science is vaccines, understanding global warming and the theory of evolution. Others will say that real science is denying global warming, creationism, anti-vaxers or homeopathy.

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Re: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Science, but Some Think the U.S. Is Lagging

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The US is lagging by every reasonable measure. What has changed is primarily 2 things: 1) People in positions of authority are now openly anti-progress in an effort to pacify entrenched interests. 2) These same people are also openly anti-immigrant. In the past, a lot of science in the USA has been imported from other countries by way of immigration. Less science equals less/inferior technology which equals smaller e…

By what metric is the US lagging? By any objective measure we can see the dominance of US technology. I think it’s most of the rest of the world that’s being left behind; Europe in particular. If what you’re saying is true the US economy would also be flagging but it’s not. If what you’re saying is true, you’d see the list of the world’s most valuable companies dominated by non-US firms. I think you are confusing the…

Here’s one: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/15/us/harvard-global-ranking...

Re: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Science, but Some Think the U.S. Is Lagging

#33

Everyone in the world "supports" science, exactly the same way everyone "supports" healthy lifestyles, democracy and other "good things". The problem is that everyone has a different idea of what these good things are. For some, science is vaccines, understanding global warming and the theory of evolution. Others will say that real science is denying global warming, creationism, anti-vaxers or homeopathy.

Some religious groups may not support science

Re: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Science, but Some Think the U.S. Is Lagging

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately it changed from "best and brightest" to "whoever could make it over the border" and "whoever would do the same job for less money".

Pretty sure "whoever could make it over the border" are not getting admitted to Harvard.

Agreed - so why admit the rest?

Re: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Science, but Some Think the U.S. Is Lagging

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U.S. literally invented the transformer just a couple years ago. I would argue that it is the rest of the world is lagging.

Seven of the eight authors of the influential 2017 AI paper "Attention Is All You Need" are immigrants to the United States. The remaining author is the grandson of refugees. And the majority of them didn’t get their degrees from US universities. No doubt Google was the catalyst though.

And how does this claim contradict my initial statement?

Re: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Science, but Some Think the U.S. Is Lagging

#36

Everyone in the world "supports" science, exactly the same way everyone "supports" healthy lifestyles, democracy and other "good things". The problem is that everyone has a different idea of what these good things are. For some, science is vaccines, understanding global warming and the theory of evolution. Others will say that real science is denying global warming, creationism, anti-vaxers or homeopathy.

I think you need to update your opposing science positions to human biology/race science. Creationism and homeopathy is a tiny minority.

Re: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Science, but Some Think the U.S. Is Lagging

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The US is lagging by every reasonable measure. What has changed is primarily 2 things: 1) People in positions of authority are now openly anti-progress in an effort to pacify entrenched interests. 2) These same people are also openly anti-immigrant. In the past, a lot of science in the USA has been imported from other countries by way of immigration. Less science equals less/inferior technology which equals smaller e…

By what metric is the US lagging? By any objective measure we can see the dominance of US technology. I think it’s most of the rest of the world that’s being left behind; Europe in particular. If what you’re saying is true the US economy would also be flagging but it’s not. If what you’re saying is true, you’d see the list of the world’s most valuable companies dominated by non-US firms. I think you are confusing the…

> think you are confusing the current climate of immigration enforcement and reform with being anti-immigration.

If this was true, Repubs would be handing out green cards at graduation ceremonies, at least for STEM fields. Instead, they are rolling out more pay to play schemes.

Re: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Science, but Some Think the U.S. Is Lagging

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The US is lagging by every reasonable measure. What has changed is primarily 2 things: 1) People in positions of authority are now openly anti-progress in an effort to pacify entrenched interests. 2) These same people are also openly anti-immigrant. In the past, a lot of science in the USA has been imported from other countries by way of immigration. Less science equals less/inferior technology which equals smaller e…

The US is destroying it's own advantage. For decades the US was pulling the best and brightest from all over the world into its Universities and companies. Why would anybody think stopping that would lead to a 'Golden Age'.

Seems like an arrogant American take. The United States primary and secondary schools are middling at best, and that has been showing through to its universities. Foreigners were already choosing Chinese universities. It's not like the recent administration could just "keep pulling", what do they have to appeal with? Obviously shutting off the flow of any and all talent is stupid, but it's a little arrogant to pretend it was not already diverting to better systems.

Re: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Science, but Some Think the U.S. Is Lagging

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post #20

The US has become a world leader in suing curious people into submission. As soon as you touch any commercially available tech and do anything that the manufacturer dislikes, you're at risk, thanks to § 1201: "No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title." Extending your digital camera with new firmware? Illegal. Inventing a custom ink or add…

The US is the world leader in suing in general, and yet it produces a lot more research than most other legally friendly places... how's that?

We have a lot of money. Smart people can make more money by working here.
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