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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by krapp »

goatlover wrote: post #263
fnimick wrote: post #170

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> Silicon Valley was full of founders who genuinely wanted to use technology to make the world a better place No, it wasn't, it was full of people who said they wanted to use technology to make the world a better place because saying you would use technology to make the world a better place was viewed as the path to investment and success. Now, as soon as feigned empathy is no longer required for $$$, the mask comes…

And yet their base ate up the claim that DOGE was about getting rid of waste, fraud and abuse.

To be fair DOGE was the ultimate SV neo-libertarian power fantasy. Just get a bunch of hackers together, screw the rules, get root on the government and start deleting shit. Doubly so after a "leftist" administration.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by biophysboy »

SilverElfin wrote: post #388
biophysboy wrote: post #377

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To be fair, Minneapolis is raising hell and has been for the last week. There have been many protests in other cities as well. I would also say that Trump and his cronies would absolutely love if this boils over into a violent riot. That would give them permission to double down.

I keep hearing this idea that boiling over lets them double down, but at the same time, it is not acceptable to let them keep doing what they do. Once the government starts using physical violence against the people and openly violating constitutional law, there is no choice, but to push back. But that pushback can look different. Personally, I think that needs to be a massive general strike across every major city.

Totally fine with general strikes, particularly for the business that are accommodating and providing logistical services for ICE. Very much opposed to shooting wars. We don't have the firepower or the political power (yet).

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by HillRat »

CapricornNoble wrote: post #156
10xDev wrote: post #140

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PLTR stock peaked at $200 last year and has been going back up so far this year. People are investing in CCP style tech and don't care.

A Palantir rep was supporting one of our exercises late last summer, and he said "Knowing what I know about how the military is going all-in on Maven....I recommend buying Palantir stock." I picked up a few shares, but I haven't checked if Palantir's growth has been unique or part of a general military-industrial complex melt-up.

Man, back when I was doing Big Consulting (including gov't/defense) I had to affirmatively declare every year to Legal that I wasn't directing any investment purchases or doing anything that could be construed as improper use of nonpublic knowledge. And now Palantir reps just out here pushing insider trading tips like it's nothing, smdh.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by throwaway853578 »

agubelu wrote: post #366
throwaway853578 wrote: post #347

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Because I have a kid to take care of. A job I need to keep, and a way of life I'd like to maintain. Because it's not happening where I live (yet). I care about people but I don't give a fuck about my country. It's just a place to live. If it gets too bad I'll move my family elsewhere. Also, this whole checks and balances thing we learned about in school will surely kick in sometime soon...

So you don't do anything because you have a job you need to keep and a kid to take care of, but you're perfectly okay with moving to a completely different country on short notice?

Yes because one of those can get my face smashed in by a baton. Moving is a far safer option for my family.

Call it selfish if you want (hell, I'd even agree with you) but my priority is my family and my life. This idea that I have to care about "my country" is patriotic BS pounded into us to make it more likely to join the army.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by foobiekr »

hobs wrote: post #125
pixl97 wrote: post #107

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The particular problem here is the vast majority of people that are writing this software 1. Don't care, blood is great. 2. Think they are the good guys. 3. Are more worried about their next paycheck and having bad things happen to them related to not paying rent.

Yes, Palantir folks have self selected for the first two over and over - anyone working there for many years now is completely blacklisted from anything I touch, when someone advertises ex-Palantir folks in the job description I know I can safely avoid that company forever.

Same. I would never allow anyone who has Palantir on their resume to be hired in any company I have influence over. They are the brownshirts of the tech industry, worse even than the people poisoning children's minds at Meta.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by api »

yawboakye wrote: post #382
embedding-shape wrote: post #315

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If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

spain isn’t a great example here. it has some of the most racist fans football has ever seen and yet there’s no action. only italy probably compares. if there was a government agency going after black and brown people (ie non-white) i wouldn’t bet on the spanish population to come to their rescue. lamine yamal, a young footballer of moroccan descent hasn’t been spared the vitriol of the spanish hooligans even though…

I've read multiple comparisons between US groups like Patriot Front and the Proud Boys and hooliganism in terms of the culture and demographics. Similar backgrounds, similar attitudes, similar behaviors (get smashed, go start fights). It's just more overtly political here rather than being organized around a sports fandom.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by embedding-shape »

gradus_ad wrote: post #392
embedding-shape wrote: post #315

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If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

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> you are receiving propaganda just like everyone else. It's filtered and manipulated to make the US appear worse than it is.

Of course, I realize that all news I read, from CNN, Guardian to Reuters, Fox and White House press release all have biases. Reading both sides gives you the in-the-middle perspective you need, and I recommend everyone to do the same, even if some sources like Fox are kind of hard to get through sometimes, but it's important to read both sides of every story.

> "Extra judicial murders" are federal ICE officers justifiably defending themselves. ICE is in Minneapolis and many other cities to deal with a huge population of illegals that need to be deported as expressed by the popular will of our recent democratic election.

ICE agents defending themselves isn't exclusive with "extra judicial murders", you can defend yourself but do so in the wrong way. You don't have permission to execute anyone you think might harm you, then the situation would be much worse.

Instead you have "proportional force" or similar, and I guess that's up to each observer to decide what they think that is, because it seems like the courts aren't even gonna have their input considered about it. Hence the "Extra judicial" part.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by afavour »

gradus_ad wrote: post #392
embedding-shape wrote: post #315

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If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

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The deep irony in your comment is that every view you’ve expressed is itself informed by the propaganda you have been viewing.

ICE are detaining American citizens. It’s been documented countless, countless times. The killings they have committed are clearly debatable in their justification. Staying they are justified does not make it so.

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