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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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This is what happens when one allows oneself to hide in "safe spaces" (like HN) where there's a "no politics" rule enabling people to hide and avoid being confronted with the ramifications of their actions. The entire world runs on technology now. It's all inherently political.

There’s a shockingly large amount of the population that doesn’t want politics period. And that’s how we got here.

Yup!

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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For an idea as to how this gets translated into the reality on the ground here in Minneapolis this is an article on what’s going on from the main newspaper in the state. > In the past week alone, ICE boxed in a Woodbury real estate agent recording their movements from his car, slammed him to the ground and detained him at the Whipple Federal Building near Fort Snelling for 10 hours. A 51-year-old teacher patrolling t…

If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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You don't seem to disagree with parent, and as long as you're aware you have blood on your hands, I guess cool? Why try to inflame the conversation even more? Just curious what you get out of it, because you're clearly not curious, or trying to understand something here.

This is a thread about morals, not tech. Many people are talking about how immoral ICE (and therefore Palantir) is, and I want to present the side that they are in fact doing exactly what many people in our society thinks needs to be done (i.e. they are not immoral).

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

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> Why would I want to riot over immigration enforcement enforcing immigration laws?

So you are not seeing the same news the outside world are seeing? Is there censorship happening? Because what we're seeing, isn't "enforcing immigration laws", it's brutal murder of civilians, together with actually being worse at getting people out of the country. Obama did a better job at kicking out illegals, yet without these public broad-daylight murders. How does that compute to be "enforcing immigration laws"?

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If they were only arresting people not in the country illegally and doing it with constitutionally guaranteed due process then you may have a point. But they aren't. They are arresting, injuring, killing people who are exercising their constitutional rights. ICE has no shred of credibility left. They are not making things safer. I personally know people in Minneapolis (where I live) who's constitutional rights have b…

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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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For an idea as to how this gets translated into the reality on the ground here in Minneapolis this is an article on what’s going on from the main newspaper in the state. > In the past week alone, ICE boxed in a Woodbury real estate agent recording their movements from his car, slammed him to the ground and detained him at the Whipple Federal Building near Fort Snelling for 10 hours. A 51-year-old teacher patrolling t…

If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

American life is so much more distributed than European life.

Population density and the gigantic geographic distance make these kinds of events feel "remote" even if they are happening in our same state.

It's a 17 hour drive from Atlanta, Georgia to Minneapolis for example.

On top of that, a lot of Americans are just barely surviving financially, so they are in full bunker mode just making rent.

It's a scary time to rebel.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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For an idea as to how this gets translated into the reality on the ground here in Minneapolis this is an article on what’s going on from the main newspaper in the state. > In the past week alone, ICE boxed in a Woodbury real estate agent recording their movements from his car, slammed him to the ground and detained him at the Whipple Federal Building near Fort Snelling for 10 hours. A 51-year-old teacher patrolling t…

If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

Because I have a kid to take care of. A job I need to keep, and a way of life I'd like to maintain. Because it's not happening where I live (yet).

I care about people but I don't give a fuck about my country. It's just a place to live. If it gets too bad I'll move my family elsewhere.

Also, this whole checks and balances thing we learned about in school will surely kick in sometime soon...

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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If there is proof of it would it change your mind about anything?

Proof is always better. I assume just about everything I hear about politics on the internet is exaggerated until I see evidence at this point.

Skepticism is fine! You should review the published video evidence that has appeared over the last week.

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What did the 170 citizens detained in immigration raids last year do that was illegal? If it was illegal, why were charges either dropped or never filed to begin with for the majority of these cases? If you are open to understanding why people are so upset, do your mind the favor of reading this high quality reporting on the treatment of US Citizens by ICE https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-.…

I'm sure there will be mistakes made. But it's for the collective good of the country.
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