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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by wat10000 »

no-dr-onboard wrote: post #200
libraryatnight wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume if someone works for Palantir they're an unabashed Yarvinist and fine with it.

That's a pretty broad generalization, but OK I'll bite. - I think Yarvin has a lot of good points. No one should be ashamed to admit the truth of a matter. I can't stand his voice, I think he has annoying mannerisms, but nonetheless the man has a point and I'm not ashamed (especially by unknown and strange online personas) to say so. - Palantir is objectively a profitable job. I've learned a lot here and the people I…

Can you elaborate on some of Yarvin's points you think are good?

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by ceejayoz »

quirk wrote: post #306
andrewvc wrote: post #19

For an idea as to how this gets translated into the reality on the ground here in Minneapolis this is an article on what’s going on from the main newspaper in the state. > In the past week alone, ICE boxed in a Woodbury real estate agent recording their movements from his car, slammed him to the ground and detained him at the Whipple Federal Building near Fort Snelling for 10 hours. A 51-year-old teacher patrolling t…

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> A member of Governor Walz’s staff

> Grove's departure from state government

Pick one!

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by Erem »

framenotre wrote: post #249

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What did the 170 citizens detained in immigration raids last year do that was illegal?

If it was illegal, why were charges either dropped or never filed to begin with for the majority of these cases?

If you are open to understanding why people are so upset, do your mind the favor of reading this high quality reporting on the treatment of US Citizens by ICE

https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-...

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Post by embedding-shape »

andrewvc wrote: post #19

For an idea as to how this gets translated into the reality on the ground here in Minneapolis this is an article on what’s going on from the main newspaper in the state. > In the past week alone, ICE boxed in a Woodbury real estate agent recording their movements from his car, slammed him to the ground and detained him at the Whipple Federal Building near Fort Snelling for 10 hours. A 51-year-old teacher patrolling t…

If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing).

Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How are you not fighting back with more than whistles and blocking them in cars? Is there more stuff actually happening on the ground, but there simply isn't any videos of it, or are people really this passive in the land of the free?

Are people inside the country not getting the same news we're getting on the outside? Are you not witnessing your government carrying out extra-judicial murders and then being protected by that same government? I'm really lost trying to understand how the average person (like you reading this) isn't out on the streets trying to defend what I thought your country was all about.

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Post by dawnerd »

DetectDefect wrote: post #250
dawnerd wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can’t minimize the damage Palantir is doing with simple whataboutism.

It is in fact the contrary: I am trying to maximize it by pointing out how big tech platforms makes it possible.

No you literally went the what about route.

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Post by silverquiet »

no-dr-onboard wrote: post #258
pixl97 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The particular problem here is the vast majority of people that are writing this software 1. Don't care, blood is great. 2. Think they are the good guys. 3. Are more worried about their next paycheck and having bad things happen to them related to not paying rent.

I'd like to invite you to prove any three of your points.

> JP Doherty did not want to sign the email. But he knew he didn’t have a choice. His son, Rhys, was scheduled to have strabismus surgery in January, correcting an eye issue that made it difficult for him to walk on his own. The procedure cost $10,000 out of pocket. Doherty discussed the decision with his wife, and while she wanted him to be able to quit, they both knew the kids needed his health insurance. [0]

Regarding Musk's "hardcore" ultimatum at Twitter.

[0]https://www.vanityfair.com/news/elon-musk-twitter-ultimatum

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Post by ryandrake »

mmmlinux wrote: post #191

As always, I like to point out that someone here is probably very proud of their work on this.

And, if you criticize them for building these systems, they'll trot out the usual excuses:

- Well, I'm working on interesting technical problems at massive scale. Leave it to the business guys to figure out how to apply it--not my problem.

- Well, I just move protobufs from one middleware API to another. I don't even talk to the application guys.

- Well, I just write the code my boss tells me to write. I don't want to be fired!

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Post by embedding-shape »

ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #314
chinathrow wrote: post #55

If you work for Palantir and if you work on these systems: You have blood on your hands. You know that it's not right what is happening on the ground right now. Do something.

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You don't seem to disagree with parent, and as long as you're aware you have blood on your hands, I guess cool?

Why try to inflame the conversation even more? Just curious what you get out of it, because you're clearly not curious, or trying to understand something here.

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Post by a456463 »

fnimick wrote: post #98
LurkandComment wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This exactly hits in on the head. You're trying create a forum absent of politics. In fact, you're just enabling one political view over another. This hides social issues and in the end comes back to undermine your pure "technical view". It's not apolitical, it's disassociation from reality.

Exactly. Declaring that there must be no discussion when confronted with situations in which one party is doing harm to others, is an implicit endorsement of the harms being perpetuated.

Thank you all in this thread! I couldn't have put it better. I cannot stand "no politics rules". Politics divides and it is personal. But it shouldn't be either of those. We should be attacking policy and not people. No politics rules just deny reality because software doesn't exist in a vacuum without policy and money. Heck most people want to use software to get money which is a product of policy.
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