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Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by retsibsi »

demarq wrote: post #329
crazygringo wrote: post #88

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No. It's when the web site doesn't say who it's for at all , that's when everybody struggles. And understandably so.

This is fascinating. How does "pub" not immediately scream British? When I read stories I feel I can pick out US and UK instantly: > Everyone is freaking out about ... - American > ... has been Sacked from - British > They negotiated a total sum of ... - British > The ... is totally insane - American

> How does "pub" not immediately scream British?

Maybe it screams "not American", but the rest of the Commonwealth does exist, you know. Some of us are standing right here.

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by retsibsi »

crazygringo wrote: post #140
wat10000 wrote: post #99

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People only struggle because of a self-centered view that everything is supposed to be for them, and things that aren't for them are a weird exception. A reasonable person will realize that the fact that they don't understand any of what it's talking about means they're not the target audience, and move on (or poke around out of curiosity).

It's self-centered to want to communicate well? It's just basic communications skills, and honestly decency , to describe what a thing is and who it's for. Maybe someone who isn't the target audience still wants to learn about the thing? Which this site provides no way of doing . That's the problem. Why choose to be inaccessible like that, when it's so easy to add a couple of works and links? > or poke around out of…

> Maybe someone who isn't the target audience still wants to learn about the thing

This is fair enough, but they don't make it too hard -- there's an About page, where the first line mentions England and Wales and the rest of the page makes it clear that the issue is about rate increases. Googling something like "england pub rate increases" will get you the rest of the way if you're interested.

(I think us non-Americans sometimes go a bit far with the whole "finally you're tasting some of your own medicine, Yanks!" thing, and I'm sorry some people are being aggressive. But I don't think this site is as opaque as you're suggesting, nor that it makes any more assumptions about its audience than lots of US-based sites do. They're targeting locals, and I think it's fine for a home page to start talking to its intended audience immediately rather than wasting space on an introduction for outsiders.)

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by crazygringo »

messe wrote: post #211
prmoustache wrote: post #164

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> Who said anything about the US? I just read your account name.

If they're not American, then following their own logic they probably shouldn't be heavily implying that they are. It's misleading. They should give context in each and every comment so that we know. Is it too much to ask for clear communication?

You know that in many parts of South America, most Europeans are considered just as gringo as Americans? As are Canadians, Australians, etc.

If you're going to critique, you should probably try to get your facts right first.

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by quitit »

addandsubtract wrote: post #281
quitit wrote: post #129

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https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBRtbdVquWF/ Neither American nor from the UK, but I knew what this was about because it's possible to go online and seek out information. Neat. What I didn't do was become some entitled see you next tuesday and complain that a .com should be reserved for the american audience and the site should use a .co.uk – As if american businesses don't utilise foreign TLDs to create cutesy URLs.…

The fuck is that insta video have to do with this topic?!

It’s for you sunshine.

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by crazygringo »

wat10000 wrote: post #161
crazygringo wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's self-centered to want to communicate well? It's just basic communications skills, and honestly decency , to describe what a thing is and who it's for. Maybe someone who isn't the target audience still wants to learn about the thing? Which this site provides no way of doing . That's the problem. Why choose to be inaccessible like that, when it's so easy to add a couple of works and links? > or poke around out of…

It's not for you. It's self-centered to want others to communicate well to you when they aren't attempting to communicate with you in the first place. You want to learn about the thing? You have the entire internet at your fingertips. Click search bar, type "pub rates," boom, thousands of news stories. If you want to know what's going on, put in the bare minimum effort to find out. If you don't care then ignore it an…

> It's self-centered to want others to communicate well to you when they aren't attempting to communicate with you in the first place.

For private communication, of course.

For public communication? On a .com? It's simple politeness, courtesy, and respect. It's about not wasting other people's time unnecessarily. It's just decency. I'm amazed that you can be arguing against basic decency and respect here.

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by crazygringo »

keybored wrote: post #218
crazygringo wrote: post #150

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Because the internet was invented in America so it's the only country where a country suffix was never used from the start of its popularity. I'm not saying this is good or bad or justified or not, just saying what the conventions are.

> Because the internet was invented in America so it's the only country where a country suffix was never used from the start of its popularity. I expect some countries like the UK and Australia to use something like `co.uk`. I expect many countries to use their own top-level domain. I do not assume that some `.com` website is American. Is “the only” based on experience? How many websites from how many countries have…

> I do not assume that some `.com` website is American.

If it's clearly local to somewhere (news, shopping, etc.) as opposed to global or a webapp or something, and doesn't say it's specific to any other country, then yes people generally assume it's American.

Because when sites are intended for audiences in other countries, they usually use a country-specific TLD. Which, for historical reasons, never became a convention in the US since it's where the Internet was invented.

If you haven't noticed that this is a clear pattern, I don't know what to tell you.

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by wat10000 »

addandsubtract wrote: post #281
quitit wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBRtbdVquWF/ Neither American nor from the UK, but I knew what this was about because it's possible to go online and seek out information. Neat. What I didn't do was become some entitled see you next tuesday and complain that a .com should be reserved for the american audience and the site should use a .co.uk – As if american businesses don't utilise foreign TLDs to create cutesy URLs.…

The fuck is that insta video have to do with this topic?!

It's about exactly this phenomenon of people seeing things that aren't for them and complaining about it instead of moving on.

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by wat10000 »

crazygringo wrote: post #335
wat10000 wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not for you. It's self-centered to want others to communicate well to you when they aren't attempting to communicate with you in the first place. You want to learn about the thing? You have the entire internet at your fingertips. Click search bar, type "pub rates," boom, thousands of news stories. If you want to know what's going on, put in the bare minimum effort to find out. If you don't care then ignore it an…

> It's self-centered to want others to communicate well to you when they aren't attempting to communicate with you in the first place. For private communication, of course. For public communication? On a .com? It's simple politeness, courtesy, and respect. It's about not wasting other people's time unnecessarily. It's just decency. I'm amazed that you can be arguing against basic decency and respect here.

Basic decency and respect is either ignoring it or putting in the three seconds of effort it takes to understand it, instead of complaining to someone who isn't even attempting to talk to you.

Are you the sort of person who goes up to people in public and asks what they're talking about? Because that's what you're doing. Except you aren't even asking, you're just saying "if you're going to talk in public then you need to explain your topic so everyone can understand it."

Your time isn't being wasted. It doesn't take any more time to think "I don't know what this is talking about, oh well" than it does to think "this mentions England and Wales, I guess it's about some local issue there." Unless you're so self-centered that the very idea of a web site's purpose not being immediately comprehensible to you personally is such an affront that you have to put in time to complain about it.

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by crazygringo »

GJim wrote: post #239
crazygringo wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the internet was invented in America so it's the only country where a country suffix was never used from the start of its popularity. I'm not saying this is good or bad or justified or not, just saying what the conventions are.

> Because the internet was invented in America And the web by a Brit working in Switzerland. It all runs on Chinese hardware with software written by people (and their dogs) from every nation on earth. The point, if there is one, is buried in the details.

What does any of that have to do with anything? The subject is DNS names.

Here, read the history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Name_System

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by crazygringo »

wat10000 wrote: post #338
crazygringo wrote: post #335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's self-centered to want others to communicate well to you when they aren't attempting to communicate with you in the first place. For private communication, of course. For public communication? On a .com? It's simple politeness, courtesy, and respect. It's about not wasting other people's time unnecessarily. It's just decency. I'm amazed that you can be arguing against basic decency and respect here.

Basic decency and respect is either ignoring it or putting in the three seconds of effort it takes to understand it, instead of complaining to someone who isn't even attempting to talk to you. Are you the sort of person who goes up to people in public and asks what they're talking about? Because that's what you're doing. Except you aren't even asking, you're just saying "if you're going to talk in public then you nee…

This is just about elementary communication skills.

You're arguing that obfuscation is somehow a good thing. How does that make any sense?

When people communicate clearly, it makes the world a better place. People understand each other more easily. They don't have to waste as much time figuring things out. It's the golden rule, treating others the way you'd like to be treated.

If you don't understand that, I genuinely don't know what to tell you.

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