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Photos capture the breathtaking scale of China's wind and solar buildout

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Re: Photos capture the breathtaking scale of China's wind and solar buildout

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People worship China for being "green focused". The reality is that they don't have a good source of fossil fuels, and energy independence is a core necessity.

They have a large coal mining industry.

And consume 50% of global coal production.

But coal is the worst fossil fuel from a practical stance. It's really only good for energy generation. You can't really power tanks or warships with it.

Re: Photos capture the breathtaking scale of China's wind and solar buildout

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Wouldn't it be better to just go with nuclear? Isn't this a gigantic waste of space and overhead to maintain it? And how "renewable" are the materials used to produce these?

Only if you have a fetish for wasting money.

Re: Photos capture the breathtaking scale of China's wind and solar buildout

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Wouldn't it be better to just go with nuclear? Isn't this a gigantic waste of space and overhead to maintain it? And how "renewable" are the materials used to produce these?

https://www.worldnuclearreport.org/Power-Play-The-Economics-... : “According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, the LCOE for advanced nuclear power was estimated at $110/MWh in 2023 and forecasted to remain the same up to 2050, while solar PV estimated to be $55/MWh in 2023 and expected to decline to $25/MWh in 2050. Onshore wind was $40/MWh in 2023 and expected to decline to $35/MWh in 2050 making renewa…

There is good reason to think fusion (particularly DT fusion) would be even more expensive than fission.

Re: Photos capture the breathtaking scale of China's wind and solar buildout

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For a German none of those photos are particularly remarkable or impressive.

Especially wind mills - they are all over the place. Outside of cities and forests it would be difficult to not see at least one ... and they like to flock.

For example:

- https://www.google.com/maps/place/Energiepark+Witznitz+MOVE+...

- https://www.erneuerbareenergien.de/energieversorger/stadtwer...

- https://www.erneuerbareenergien.de/energieversorger/stadtwer...

Re: Photos capture the breathtaking scale of China's wind and solar buildout

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post #181

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Coal generation production in China did decline in 2025 vs 2024 - but that was the first year for it to happen.

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You are wrong by a factor of at least 10x

Re: Photos capture the breathtaking scale of China's wind and solar buildout

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That looks significantly more like a long-term energy strategy than grabbing oil from Venezuela and Greenland.

If you think there is oil in Greenland I think you should not contribute to these types of discussion for lack of knowledge on the topic.

Was curious, so I did a 30 second search:

"The US Geological Survey estimates that onshore northeast Greenland (including ice-covered areas) contains around 31 billion barrels of oil-equivalent in hydrocarbons – similar to the US’s entire volume of proven crude oil reserves."

Source: https://theconversation.com/greenland-is-rich-in-natural-res...

Re: Photos capture the breathtaking scale of China's wind and solar buildout

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China is far more incentivized to champion renewable considering that they do not have the same access as the US. US is also on a path to quite literally invading other countries to extract crude and other resources. I don’t think China is in a position to do this, yet. If China invades Brunei or arrests Bolkiah, they will face irreversible repercussions. All that said, I don’t think wind and solar are the answers. G…

>All that said, I don’t think wind and solar are the answers

Found the Oil & Gas lobbyist / apologist.

China might not have oil, but at least they are trying to figure something else out. Credit to them. Say what you want about The Party (I certainly have) but gotta give credit where and when its due. They have an interest in pushing alternative fuels, and by god they are doing it.

Re: Photos capture the breathtaking scale of China's wind and solar buildout

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Nuclear still have to deal with nuclear waste. > gigantic waste of space Good thing China isn’t running out of space

The latest generation of Nuclear power plants are full cycle, produce close to nothing amount of waste

Plants being built these days are thermal burner reactors. They are no more "full cycle" than any other nuclear power reactors that have been built. And (like earlier reactors) reprocessing their spent fuel has no economic case.

Re: Photos capture the breathtaking scale of China's wind and solar buildout

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It is incredible to see just how many big-oil talking points there are in this thread. From renewable energies resource costs, to their land use impact. I didn't realise just how effective their propaganda was in the tech space till reading this thread. That is not to say that these projects should be free of criticism, but anyone who believes these negatives are remotely close to the damage that fossil fuels are doi…

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Yes fracking wells are famously harmless to the environment.

Right.

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