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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by lokar »

integralid wrote: post #214
stackghost wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what happens when one allows oneself to hide in "safe spaces" (like HN) where there's a "no politics" rule enabling people to hide and avoid being confronted with the ramifications of their actions. The entire world runs on technology now. It's all inherently political.

Yes, HN is my safe space. I have enough politics in my daily life, I don't need it when I'm with phone in my bed trying to wind down. And which politics? American internal politics are foreign and distant to me. How much do you care about my country internal affairs? Probably not much. And it's OK, you can't fix every country in existence, and if you tried to care you would get insane.

Pro-tip: when you see a headline on the main page, you don't have to click on it. Just keep scrolling.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by LargeWu »

DetectDefect wrote: post #203
chinathrow wrote: post #55

If you work for Palantir and if you work on these systems: You have blood on your hands. You know that it's not right what is happening on the ground right now. Do something.

Palantir does not work in a vacuum - it requires other technology, platforms and systems to operate and succeed - many of which are designed and maintained by the users of Hacker News. Take a look at Palantir's trust center: https://palantir.safebase.us Schellman did their audit and compliance - do they have blood on their hands? How about AWS, GCP, Azure cloud resources used by Palantir - are they stained, too?

Palantir is built explicitly for surveillance, in a way the other companies you listed are not. There is no comparison here. It's like saying the City of Minneapolis is complicit because they maintain the roads ICE is driving on.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by wahnfrieden »

ambicapter wrote: post #172
libraryatnight wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need to expect more from our business leaders.

They have more power than you. The only way to induce accountability is to reduce the power gap.

These people want lords who they can petition for charity

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by amsterdorn »

> “Enhanced Leads Identification & Targeting for Enforcement (ELITE) is a targeting tool designed to improve capabilities for identifying and prioritizing high-value targets

What constitutes this "high value"? & valuable to who, ICE agents with an itchy trigger finger?

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by leftistlozers »

jawilson2 wrote: post #8
unstyledcontent wrote: post #2

Make no mistake, the immigration enforcement operations in Minnesota are only a training ground for how to undermine civil rights for us all. Everyone is ok targeting te immigrant populations because they are "illegal" or live in a gray area of legality. But eventually these same tools will be used against us.

> Everyone is ok targeting te immigrant populations No, we're not.

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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by lmz »

drcongo wrote: post #108
hydrogen7800 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the GP means the collective "we" is OK with it, evidenced simply by the fact that it is happening.

Yep, and from the outside, the rest of the world is watching you all just let it happen.

A lot of the world would not tolerate the amount of illegals that the US has within its borders.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by Zetaphor »

jonnybgood wrote: post #163
chinathrow wrote: post #55

If you work for Palantir and if you work on these systems: You have blood on your hands. You know that it's not right what is happening on the ground right now. Do something.

The US gov (including ICE) uses all of Microsoft Office for coordination and planning: email, spreadsheets, powerpoint, document generation, etc. Would you say Microsoft employees have blood on their hands too? If not, what makes Microsoft different?

Considering that Microsoft is also providing services to the Israeli government with the explicit intent of storing and cataloging all of the phone calls made by Palestinian citizens so that they can be analyzed by AI for potential bombing targets...yes I would say Microsoft also has blood on their hands. I wouldn't be surprised to learn they have deep partnerships with Palantir for compute services.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by drstewart »

jordanpg wrote: post #109
Aurornis wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Deportations aren’t all that high. The raids are theater. Thinking that they’re going to deport all the immigrants isn’t realistic or supported by the numbers. Immigration control is a constant ongoing operation in every country. This administration is just making a big show out of it for political points.

My point still stands. The country will obviously not be permanently swarming with ICE agents violently grabbing immigrants off the street. There is going to be mission creep. If this isn't obvious then I don't know what to else I can say to convince you. Immigration is clearly just a pretext to establishing a national police force. Remember this thread when you hear for the first time that ICE agents are tasked with…

>Remember this thread when you hear for the first time that ICE agents are tasked with doing something that has nothing to do with immigration enforcement. Coming soon.

And when it doesn't, will you remember the wild accusations you made or off making others with no accountability?

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