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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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If you work for Palantir and if you work on these systems: You have blood on your hands. You know that it's not right what is happening on the ground right now. Do something.

The US gov (including ICE) uses all of Microsoft Office for coordination and planning: email, spreadsheets, powerpoint, document generation, etc. Would you say Microsoft employees have blood on their hands too? If not, what makes Microsoft different?

Office can be used for things that aren't objectively evil?

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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If you work for Palantir and if you work on these systems: You have blood on your hands. You know that it's not right what is happening on the ground right now. Do something.

Palantir does not work in a vacuum - it requires other technology, platforms and systems to operate and succeed - many of which are designed and maintained by the users of Hacker News. Take a look at Palantir's trust center: https://palantir.safebase.us Schellman did their audit and compliance - do they have blood on their hands? How about AWS, GCP, Azure cloud resources used by Palantir - are they stained, too?

You can’t minimize the damage Palantir is doing with simple whataboutism.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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The particular problem here is the vast majority of people that are writing this software 1. Don't care, blood is great. 2. Think they are the good guys. 3. Are more worried about their next paycheck and having bad things happen to them related to not paying rent.

Yes, Palantir folks have self selected for the first two over and over - anyone working there for many years now is completely blacklisted from anything I touch, when someone advertises ex-Palantir folks in the job description I know I can safely avoid that company forever.

I would never allow one of them to be hired via any hiring process I have influence over.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Congress has been neutered and there's been efforts to ensure that it stays that way.

Congress hasn't been neutered, they can reclaim their power at any time. Republicans in power simply refuse to act at all.

That they neutered themselves doesn't make them any less neutered.

I'm skeptical about their ability to reclaim it, too. Lots of them remember being terrified and running away Jan 6, even if many now pretend not to... and SCOTUS has been on a tear wiping out long-standing legislation Congress was quite clear about like the Voting Rights Act.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Make no mistake, the immigration enforcement operations in Minnesota are only a training ground for how to undermine civil rights for us all. Everyone is ok targeting te immigrant populations because they are "illegal" or live in a gray area of legality. But eventually these same tools will be used against us.

Palestine was the training ground, now it is being deployed back at home. Turns out it is a small world and you shouldn't have selective empathy. "First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionis…

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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives What happened to the SA when they became to powerful. And also when the people of Nazi Germany (so Nazis) became fed up with the thugs. Out of interest: is there something like a person considered to be a leader (like Röhm) amongst ICE?

Probably Bovino. He seems to be the "front line general" as far as public perception is concerned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Bovino

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Make no mistake, the immigration enforcement operations in Minnesota are only a training ground for how to undermine civil rights for us all. Everyone is ok targeting te immigrant populations because they are "illegal" or live in a gray area of legality. But eventually these same tools will be used against us.

Musk tweeted yesterday that speaking hate against the country should be considered treason and lead to being locked-up. It's not hard to shift "anti-American" speech to mean "anti-ICE", anti-current-administration, etc.

Mr "free speech" Musk (/s)

If it is this tweet you are referring to, it's about _teaching_ hate, which is only a slight nuance and still a terrible point to make for a self-labeled "free speech absolutist"

> Teaching people to hate America fundamentally destroys patriotism and the desire to defend our country.

> Such teachings should be viewed as treason and those who do it imprisoned.

https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/2011519593492402617#m

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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If you work for Palantir and if you work on these systems: You have blood on your hands. You know that it's not right what is happening on the ground right now. Do something.

The US gov (including ICE) uses all of Microsoft Office for coordination and planning: email, spreadsheets, powerpoint, document generation, etc. Would you say Microsoft employees have blood on their hands too? If not, what makes Microsoft different?

Taking your argument in good faith: I think selling a tool with a narrow use case tailor-made for ICE is categorically different.
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