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Apple is fighting for TSMC capacity as Nvidia takes center stage

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Re: Apple is fighting for TSMC capacity as Nvidia takes center stage

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Calling Nvidia niche feels a bit wild given their status-quo right now, but from a foundry perspective, it seems true. Apple is the anchor tenant that keeps the lights on across 12 different mature and leading-edge fabs. Nvidia is the high-frequency trader hammering the newest node until the arb closes. Stability usually trades at a discount during a boom, but Wei knows the smartphone replacement cycle is the only pr…

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Re: Apple is fighting for TSMC capacity as Nvidia takes center stage

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tend to agree with you, feels to me like the root of this is essentially whether foundries will "go all in" on AI like the rest of the S&P 500. But why trade away one trillion-dollar customer for another trillion-dollar customer if the first one is never going away, and the second one might?

I think it is less of a trade and more of a symbiotic capital cycle, if I can call it that? Nvidia's willingness to pay exorbitant prices for early 2nm wafers subsidizes the R&D and the brutal yield-learning curve for the entire node. But you can't run a sustainable gigafab solely on GPUs...the defect density math is too punishing. You need a high-volume, smaller-die customer (Apple) to come in 18 months later, soak…

Isn’t the smaller die aspect more valuable early in the node’s maturity, where defects are less punishing?

Re: Apple is fighting for TSMC capacity as Nvidia takes center stage

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...and then China invades Taiwan, and nobody ain't getting nothing.

The US has its own TSMC supply (insert comments about it not being cutting edge). And the US will stand-down and let China take Taiwan with no serious conflict in exchange for supply agreements. Not more than 5-10 years out at this point.

The US can't even remotely come close to stopping China in its own backyard today, in another 5-10 years they'll just have that much larger of a Navy. The US knows that's the situation. The US can supply a large one week bombing campaign against China and that's it, based on inventory levels. The US will exhaust its cruise missile supply instantly and the US has almost no meaningful drone-bomb supply. China can build cheap missiles by the tens of thousands perpetually, train them to the coast, and flatten Taiwan and any opponents as necessary. China is the only country that can sustain a multi-year WW2 style bombing campaign today, thanks to its manufacturing capabilities. Imagine them on a full war footing.

Re: Apple is fighting for TSMC capacity as Nvidia takes center stage

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...and then China invades Taiwan, and nobody ain't getting nothing.

I feel like China invading Taiwan isn't happening in our lifetimes. Yes, they stand to benefit from it, but I doubt any of the people in charge of decision making are that interested in rocking the boat. There's nobody forcing their hand and the country is doing great without needing to invade anyone.

They are 100% going to force the issue.

It will likely be a naval plus air blockade to force a political solution to avoid the messiness of an invasion, but time is on China's side there.

Re: Apple is fighting for TSMC capacity as Nvidia takes center stage

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post #19

Explains why Apple is looking to diversify their fabs with Intel. If Intel can stay on their current trajectory and become a legitimate alternative they will do very well as a fab with additional available capacity.

Maybe I missed something but aren't Intel looking to wind down some of their production ?

The key here is Intel is expanding the idea of operating their fab for an external customer (foundry services). What they’re doing with specific fabs or processes is less important relative to their bigger emphasis on working for a client like Apple.

Re: Apple is fighting for TSMC capacity as Nvidia takes center stage

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...and then China invades Taiwan, and nobody ain't getting nothing.

I feel like China invading Taiwan isn't happening in our lifetimes. Yes, they stand to benefit from it, but I doubt any of the people in charge of decision making are that interested in rocking the boat. There's nobody forcing their hand and the country is doing great without needing to invade anyone.

That depends on a certain administration, and it isn't looking good, "if they can, we also can".

Re: Apple is fighting for TSMC capacity as Nvidia takes center stage

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post #16

I dislike this dramatization in reporting of mundane facts. So report the facts but sentences like "What Wei probably didn’t tell Cook is that Apple may no longer be his largest client" make it personal, they make you take sides, feel sorry for somebody, feel schadenfreude... (as you can observe in the comments)

I hate this writing as well. Is not about technology and finance? The reporter writes as if it is a novel.
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