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Re: Furiosa: 3.5x efficiency over H100s

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I still don't really understand this "circle" issue. If I fix your bathroom and in return you make me a new table, is that an incestuous circle? Haven't we both just exchanged value?

The circle allows you to put an arbitrary "price" on those services. You could say that the bathroom and table are $100 each, so your combined work was $200. Or you could claim that each of you did $1M work. Without actual money flowing in/out of your circle, your claims aren't tethered to reality.

You don’t think real money is changing hands when Microsoft buys Nvidia GPUs?

Re: Furiosa: 3.5x efficiency over H100s

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Have you....used any of the video generators? Nothing they create make any goddamn sense, they're a step above those fake acid trip simulators.

> Nothing they create make any goddamn sense, I wouldn’t be that dismissive. Some have managed to make impressive things with them (although nothing close to an actual movie, even a short). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET7Y1nNMXmA A bit older: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OOpYvxKhtY Compared to two years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHeCTfQOQcs

The problem with all of these, even the most recent one, is that they have the "AI look". People have tired of this look already, even for short adverts; if they don't want five minutes of it, they really won't like two hours of it. There is no doubt the quality has vastly improved over time, but I see no sign of progress in removing the "AI look" from these things.

Re: Furiosa: 3.5x efficiency over H100s

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Inference costs scale linearly with usage. R&D expenses do not. That's not to mention that Dario Amodei has said that their models actually have a good return, even when accounting for training costs [0]. [0] https://youtu.be/GcqQ1ebBqkc?si=Vs2R4taIhj3uwIyj&t=1088

> Inference costs scale linearly with usage. R&D expenses do not. Do we know this is true for AI?

It’s pretty much the definition of fixed costs versus variable costs.

You spend the same amount on R&D whether you have one hobbyist user or 90% market share.

Re: Furiosa: 3.5x efficiency over H100s

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> Is that based just on the HN "it is lots of money so it can't possibly make sense" wisdom? I mean the amount of money invested across just a handful of AI companies is currently staggering and their respective revenues are no where near where they need to be. That’s a valid reason to be skeptical. How many times have we seen speculative investment of this magnitude? It’s shifting entire municipal and state economie…

> I mean the amount of money invested across just a handful of AI companies is currently staggering and their respective revenues are no where near where they need to be. That’s a valid reason to be skeptical. Yes and no. Some of it just claims to be "AI". Like the hyperscalers are building datacenters and ramping up but not all of it is "AI". The crypto bros have rebadged their data centers into "AI".

> The crypto bros have rebadged their data centers into "AI"

That the previous unsustainable bubble is rebranding into the new one, is maybe not the indicator of stability we should be hoping for

Re: Furiosa: 3.5x efficiency over H100s

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I am of the opinion that Nvidia's hit the wall with their current architecture in the same way that Intel has historically with its various architectures - their current generation's power and cooling requirements are requiring the construction of entirely new datacenters with different architectures, which is going to blow out the economics on inference (GPU + datacenter + power plant + nuclear fusion research divis…

> I am of the opinion that Nvidia's hit the wall with their current architecture Based on what? Their measured performance on things people care about keep going up, and their software stack keeps getting better and unlocking more performance on existing hardware Inference tests: https://inferencemax.semianalysis.com/ Training tests: https://www.lightly.ai/blog/nvidia-b200-vs-h100 https://newsletter.semianalysis.com/…

> Further, I'm sure most people heard the mention of an unnamed enterprise paying Anthropic $5000/month per developer on inference

I haven't and I'd like to know more.

Re: Furiosa: 3.5x efficiency over H100s

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In binary 2x is one order of magnitude

exactly! I've been wondering about this for quite a while now. Why does everybody automatically assume that I'm using the decimal system when saying "orders of magnitude"?!

I'd argue that 100% of all humans use the decimal system, most of the time. Maybe 1 to 5% of all humans use another system some of the time.

Anyway, there are 10 types of people, those who understand binary and those who don't.

Re: Furiosa: 3.5x efficiency over H100s

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The title sounds interesting but I get errors and no content on my iPhone15 because it is unable to initialize WebGL. Why do people still link content to such capabilities? Where has simple HTML / CSS gone these days?

Edit: from comments and reading the one page that loads, this is still the 5nm tech they announced in 2024, hence the H100 comparison, which feels dated given the availability of GB300.

Re: Furiosa: 3.5x efficiency over H100s

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These things never pan out.

The reasons why this almost never works is one of the following:

- They assume they can move hardware complexity (scheduling etc, access patterns into software). The magic compiler/runtime never arrives.

- They assume their hard-to-program but faster architecture will get figured out by devs. It won't.

- They assume a certain workload. The workload changes, and their arch is no longer optimal or possibly even workable.

- But most importantly, they don't understand the fundamental bottlenecks, which is usually memory bandwidth. Even if you increase the paper specs, like FLOPS total, FLOPS/W etc. youre usually limited by how much you can read from memory. Which is exactly as much as their competitors. The way you can overcome this is by cleverness and complexity (cache lines, smarter algorithms, acceleration structures etc), but all these require a complex computer to run with all those coherent cache hierarchies, branching and synchronization logic etc. Which is why folks like NVIDIA keep going on despite facing this constant barrage of would-be disruptors.

In fact this continue to be more and more true - memory bandwidth relies on transcievers on the chip edge, and if the size of the chips doesn't increase, bandwidth doesn't increase automatically on newer process nodes. Latency doesn't improve at all. But you get more transistors to play with, which you can use to run your workload more cleverly.

In fact I don't rule out the possibility of CPU based massively parallel compute making a comeback.

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