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Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by pjc50 »

philo23 wrote: post #125

Kinda meta, but this is the first time in a long time where I've put only the first half of my postcode in expecting it not to work and been surprised. Most of these "find your nearest XYZ" site require the full postcode which is just unnecessary unless you're looking for a fairly precise location. A full postcode can narrow your location down to an individual street, so its nice not to give too much away if you can.…

There used to be a site "postcodeine" which would overlay the prefixes onto a map as you typed, so you could enter "SW" or "KY" etc and watch it narrow down the area by keystroke.

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by GJim »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #259
vixen99 wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The onus is on you to suggest an alternative. Which countries not under it 'face the same problems'?

- A strong leader and a weak bureaucracy, so that your vote means something. - A good constitution that puts hard limits on what they can do, no boiling the frog with freedom of speech restrictions like Canada, Australia, and The UK So basically an elected dictator with a functioning kill switch. Not a parade of faceless, temporary, unimportant prime ministers and elections which don't matter.

> freedom of speech restrictions like Canada, Australia, and The UK

Unlike in the USA, where speaking out to, or disagreeing with, the president will get you removed from positions of authority?

(If you haven't already gathered, such bogus claims of free speech restrictions in other countries are distracting you from the reality of what is happening in your own country.)

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by GJim »

roryirvine wrote: post #253
cjrp wrote: post #245

It's interesting, I was hoping it would be based on more than just the rates change though. Maybe combined with Google "how busy is this place" data, for example.

Agreed. Currently it reckons that the most-fucked pub in my area is the largest pub within walking distance from a major premier league football stadium. But it's always busy even out of season, and absolutely heaving on match days. I'd be surprised if a single match day's profits weren't sufficient to cover the additional tax for the year. Personally, I'll continue to offer my enthusiastic support to my much smaller…

Whilst you make a good point, the true purpose of this site it to draw attention to the new outrageous tax bills faced by pubs; many of which are going under and are a real loss to the communities they serve.

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by vintermann »

danielfoster wrote: post #87
DiabloD3 wrote: post #84

Man, it's weird being an American sometimes. I do not drink. I am half Irish and half German. Drinking is a _very_ weird cultural artifact from our past. It doesn't improve your life, it has been scientifically proven to not 'help you relax', and there may in fact be no safe amount of alcohol to drink; all the pop-sci headlines that say 'one glass of wine a week may improve your health' are really about studies that…

With all due respect this opinion verges on neo prohibitionist alarmism. The social benefits of alcohol have been widely acknowledged and at a time when we are all spending too much time at home on our phones (arguably worse for health than a pint), communities need more social spaces. That place may not necessarily be a bar and it’s perfectly fine if you don’t wish to drink, but it’s a bit much to refer to a cultura…

The social benefits do not come from alcohol. At the very best, they come from what we have learned to believe about alcohol.

Alcohol consumption follows a nasty curve. The average adult in the UK drinks about 11 liters of pure alcohol per year on average. Which is obviously a lot. But what's worse is, almost no one drinks 11 liters. The median is much lower, exactly how low is hard to find numbers on but as much as 1 in 5 Brits don't drink at all.

That means most of the alcohol is consumed by people who drink way too much by any sane definition.

If you own a pub, or an "off license", or arrange a music festival or pretty much any cultural venue, you know that in your bones. Staying afloat without selling alcohol, in particular without selling alcohol to people who drink far more than they should, is hopeless. You can't change things on your own. And even suggesting we should maybe work together to change will alienate your most profitable customers, who are understandably defensive about their drinking.

No, it's not a criminal enterprise, by definition. But you'll do better if you have a criminal's attitude - pick one: denial (consuming a lot yourself may help), rationalization ("if I didn't do it someone else would") or callousness. That's one reason pub chains do better.

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by neves »

alexfoo wrote: post #160
philo23 wrote: post #125

Kinda meta, but this is the first time in a long time where I've put only the first half of my postcode in expecting it not to work and been surprised. Most of these "find your nearest XYZ" site require the full postcode which is just unnecessary unless you're looking for a fairly precise location. A full postcode can narrow your location down to an individual street, so its nice not to give too much away if you can.…

I agree with the bit about the having to enter a full postcode on some sites, I often use one nearby or, if they make me select a specific address for no valid reason I make sure I use a random address nearby. Apologies to some of my neighbours who might be bombarded with junk mail for services I’ve once been half interested in. A full postcode is often much less than a single street. Picking something at random stic…

Mail from a guy that wants to preserve pubs wouldn't be junk.

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by CamouflagedKiwi »

bodge5000 wrote: post #118
iso1631 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weatherspoons charge under £3 for a pint in town. That's 15 minutes at minimum wage. Beer was far more expensive 25 years ago - £1.60 in 2000 in the student pub when I first started buying my own beer, that was about half an hour at minimum wage. On the cost side: Wages are higher, energy costs more, rent is higher (because if the pub can't operate the owner can get planning permission to convert it to a private dwel…

That is spoons though, most pubs are 3-4x that

3-4x £3 a pint? That's £9-£12 which is super expensive - I would say most places are in the £6-£8 region.

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Post by CamouflagedKiwi »

iso1631 wrote: post #256
bodge5000 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is spoons though, most pubs are 3-4x that

Most expensive pint I've paid round here was £6, so pubs are about 2x that - about half hour of adult minimum wage, same as spoons charged 25 years ago. So how do spoons make a profit? The main difference that I see is that they buy cheap properties and thus don't have crushing rents. What this page doesn't show is the increase in rent for these buildings.

One thing I've heard is that they have consistent high throughput so they will buy beer that's closer to expiry and hence cheaper, because they know people will drink it before it goes off.

Dunno how much of an effect that is, it can only account for so much.

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Post by vintermann »

volkl48 wrote: post #121
DiabloD3 wrote: post #93

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Many people have written what you have written, trying to justify their life choices to strangers on the internet. None of them have ever explained why alcohol, or any drug use, needs to be part of third spaces. Society is losing third spaces, largely due to unchecked capitalism eroding the society it serves... but 'pubs' are just another form of rent-seeking by landlords. It has been proven without a doubt that thir…

The book "Drunk: How We Sipped, Danced, and Stumbled Our Way to Civilization" would be a good read for you, should you wish to consider alternative viewpoints. -------- Distilling what I remember about an entire book I read a couple years ago into a HN comment is difficult, but one of the more salient notes from it is this: Adult humans are naturally suspicious of others and slow to trust, particularly those they hav…

Alcohol doesn't create social cohesion chemically. This is a learned effect - there are societies where they had different beliefs about alcohol, and there it doesn't have this effect. This is a really old finding of anthropology. (Of course, in today's global world, beliefs about alcohol get homogenized, so there are ever fewer of societies where they have diverging beliefs about alcohol effects.)

Moreover, it seems likely to me that just like the "relaxing" effect of nicotine, this advantage is "stolen" from daily sober life. If we as a society agree to judge each other less harshly when we're drink, I think we will just naturally judge each other more harshly when we're sober.

However, unlike with nicotine, where the effect is physical and individual (you relax when you get nicotine because you get stressed by physical addiction when you don't), for alcohol it's social and collective. You suffer the negative effect (social pressure to basically be more uptight in everyday sober life) whether you participate or not.

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by amiga386 »

cyberpunk wrote: post #56
hermitcrab wrote: post #54

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My grandparents were publicans 70+ years ago. Even they they made very little on beer. All the profit was spirits and software drinks. Probably food as well now.

15 quid for a 25ml of whisky is ridiculous however.

Depends on the whisky.

You could buy a bottle of Teachers and serve yourself 25ml for 70p. You could buy a bottle of 30-year aged Macallan matured in sherry oak, and serve yourself 25ml for £160.

In a pub, you should be able to get a shot of blended whisky for about £4-6, and mass-market single malts (the kind you also find in supermarkets) for about £5-£10.

If you don't ask for a specific whisky, they should ask you which one you want, and/or say "is name alright?" and give you one of the cheap ones.

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