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My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for have worsened his life.

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Re: My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for have worsened his life.

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Both alcohol and tobacco are legal, and have worse health consequences than marijuana. The only real reason is that 90-70 years ago, the white people smoke tobacco and the black people smoke marijuana.

This is not the point. My point is that marijuana can speed up the onset of schizophrenia and should not be used by people that have family history of mental illness. It has nothing to do with what is legal and what isn't. Even if marijuana were legalized, my point would still stand.

I think an alternate interpretation of that study could be that if schizophrenia (considered my many to be an outdated term) runs in the family, future children will learn earlier that they need to try something to deal with the problem of schizophrenic parents being bad parents and making things worse overall.

More bluntly: because children are screwed up faster by the collective parenting habits of multiple generations of mentally ill ancestors, they turn to possible fixes outside of their screwed up families: junior high + pot is normal. Marijuana, if anything, is a minor symptom here.

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Thanks, interesting... though the opening line does seem to suggest marijuana use remains especially linked with schizophrenia -- in prevalence at least: Alcohol use disorder, which is three times more common in patients with schizophrenia than in the general population, and cannabis use disorder, which is up to 10 times more common, both contribute to the morbidity of schizophrenia, through increased relapse, noncom…

As far as I've read, and I read whatever I can, there's still no evidence one way or another about which causes which. Does cannabis have a causitive or trigger effect on schizophrenia? Or are schizophrenics more likely to live on the fringes of society and encounter (and like) cannabis?

Or even more simply: is there something in marijuana that makes schizophrenia more tolerable than with alcohol. Furthermore, mentally ill people are going to have more trouble finding a regular pot dealer, the black market being an inherently suspicious place, so as their condition worsens alcohol becomes the most-available drug.

Re: My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for have worsened his life.

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Nobody brought this up (what?) but how is this relevant to.. hacker news? I get that someone on here might be schizophrenic, but is this really on topic with startups, software, etc? If I want to get sad over incurable mental illness I'll go read r/politics or atheism (oioioi).

Maybe it's useful because you might hire staff or have co-workers who happen to have a mental illness and being informed about it is a good thing?

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You can blame the schools for misdiagnosing ADHD, and you can blame them for a poor IEP, but you can't blame them for a child not having a normal life due to one of the most tragic diseases known to man. Schizophrenia is not the kind of disease you can treat with an IEP, and it sounds like the author's son fell out of the system from a very young age. Trying to blame anything but genetics and development for his son'…

> it's very unlikely that his son would have ever been a contributing member of society. I'm having trouble getting past this comment. I don't wish to malign you debacle - I'm sure you're not being malicious - but it seems like a very unkind & privileged mindset. I hope this isn't representative of the community. Paul Gionfriddo certainly doesn't consider his son to lack contribution.

My brother is mentally disabled. I love him dearly, and I've fight tooth and nail for him to have as normal a life as possible. However, I would not describe him as being a likely candidate for being a "contributing member of society." His affliction fundamentally prevents him from doing almost any job. That's just the reality of it.

Re: My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for have worsened his life.

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Not so much...the fatalism here is not unwarrented. If I give a pauper a million dollars, they are no longer a pauper--foolish noveau riche, perhaps, but not a pauper. If I repeal laws pertaining to various things, drugs for example, a great many criminals cease to be so. Mental illness, unfortunately, tends to stay with the person. :(

That's true, but again, at least we ought to evaluate what the cost of doing nothing is. What we're doing now is pretty close to nothing, and it does have a cost, in money and in more intangible dimensions (e.g. humanitarian).

Oh, don't get me wrong--I'm very much for state-run healthcare and could be considered a proponent of socialism. I think that any civilization with as much resources as we do (we here being Americans, presumably) is criminal if it does not work to support its citizens cradle-to-grave.

I was just disagreeing with your assessment that fatalism is unwarranted--we do it (caring for mental illness) anyway, because it simply must be done, but we ought not pretend that things will get better.

Re: My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for have worsened his life.

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It is not that hard to recognize symptoms of mental illness. You certainly don't need to be a psychiatrist or a clinical psychologist. You don't even need to be a LCSW or a LPC. It would be, at most, a single course in an undergraduate or a graduate program. It could probably be rolled in to existing curricula just as a chapter or an exam as a component of a related class. We're not talking about diagnosis, just reco…

An interesting study highlighting some of the problems with diagnosis of schizophrenia was the Rosenhan experiment ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment ) essentially it showed that doctors working in mental hospitals were unable to reliably tell the difference between those with schizophrenia, and those without it who reported a single hallucination. Albeit, the study is now close to 40 years old, and t…

Thanks for your article - a couple of questions. My background is that in the dim dark past I studied neuropsych and then worked as an EEG tech (mostly epilepsy screening with infrequent psych patients) for 4 years (2000-04) before going to work for the company that makes Synamps 2 :)

Now, I've only skimmed your method and results as I'm a bit flu-ridden and hence vague, but a couple of things popped out. The first is that you stated there was no control for medication. In our experience doing EEGs on folks on certain psych drugs, there was usually an increase in higher band activity (more beta, much less slow wave) - these drugs would create an unusual but not clinically abnormal EEG. It was rare to see such an EEG in someone not on those drugs.

The second is that for doing mathematical analysis on the EEG, I've had it trained out of me that resting EEG is okay to use. Some task, any task, no matter how easy, gives a more reliable baseline - since the EEG is quite dependent on arousal state, without a basic task, you don't have much control over whether the person is sitting there thinking about having a nap or highly alert and fretting over some unrelated item. For epilepsy you want them drowsy and nearly asleep as that lowers the bar for spike-and-wave activity, but unless a similar thing happens in schizophrenia and slowing, I'd think that doing a task would be superior to resting EEG.

I wonder if accounting for these issues might increase your hit rate? Like I said, I only skimmed the method and results, so I may have missed something that makes these points less relevant.

As an aside, the epileptic EEG sample looks really quaint and old-fashioned, since it has the curved needle-on-paper distortion. It doesn't need to be updated, it just looks like Ye Olde EEG to my eyes... :)

Re: My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for have worsened his life.

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This is a tough story of a state legislator who became an adoptive father finding out that policies that he thought were humane reforms didn't end up helping people in this generation like his adoptive son. Some of my perspective on these issues comes from knowing Irving Gottesman, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Gottesman who was credited as the main adviser on schizophrenia relied on by the author of the book A…

I'm not a parent, but your comment is an informed and thoughtful one.

Re: My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for have worsened his life.

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post #151

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It is not that hard to recognize symptoms of mental illness. You certainly don't need to be a psychiatrist or a clinical psychologist. You don't even need to be a LCSW or a LPC. It would be, at most, a single course in an undergraduate or a graduate program. It could probably be rolled in to existing curricula just as a chapter or an exam as a component of a related class. We're not talking about diagnosis, just reco…

An interesting study highlighting some of the problems with diagnosis of schizophrenia was the Rosenhan experiment ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment ) essentially it showed that doctors working in mental hospitals were unable to reliably tell the difference between those with schizophrenia, and those without it who reported a single hallucination. Albeit, the study is now close to 40 years old, and t…

To be clear, I was talking about recognition of symptoms and referral to experts, not diagnosis. Diagnosis is a much trickier issue. Thanks for sharing your thesis and for the interesting read about schizophrenia diagnosis.

Re: My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for have worsened his life.

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This says so much about what's broken in our legislative system: > Six weeks into my legislative career, I was the legislature’s reluctant new expert on mental health. After six weeks, he was not an expert. In nearly all cases, our legislators are not experts in any of the things which they are legislating, yet that never stops them from forming strong opinions and trying to "reform" or "fix" things. On HN, we see th…

Politicians are sometimes assigned to roles where they don't know anything on purpose - if they understand the deep issues, they'll be less willing to make funding cuts.

I did my honours year at a defense research site, and here in Australia we have two Defense Ministers - the junior is the Minister for Defense Science. While I was there, the junior minister was a total incompetant (Bishop) that knew nothing of her portfolio. When I asked the scientists why they'd give her this job, the above is what they answered with. Later on that year, there were significant funding cuts...

Re: My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for have worsened his life.

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The path to hell is paged with good intentions, in this case by young, well-meaning, but unqualified and overly-ambitious people who like the sound of their own voices and think they know what is best for others, but come to realize 25 years later that they really fucked things up for a lot of people they were supposed to be helping (guys, you are supposed to be helping the 99%, not the 1%). Better late than never, but what's he going to do beyond write an article to make himself feel better. Nothing, probably (that's a challenge to the author, if he's even here).
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