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Why does so much innovation come from America? Because it sucks.

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Re: Why does so much innovation come from America? Because it sucks.

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That's a pretty lame thesis. By that logic we should see the most innovation coming out of the worst places on earth. How's that innovation coming out of the Sudan going? Lots of things that suck there that could be fixed. What, Greece doesn't have a load of problems that should drive innovation? America has a culture of individualism, problem solving, and allowing those who solve problems to keep the spoils of their…

Maybe America sucks just enough for there to be problems to innovate, while still being able to support said innovators.

Re: Why does so much innovation come from America? Because it sucks.

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I have a friend who emigrated to US from China when he was in his 50s, and that was about 15 years ago. He's an entrepreneur who sells machine tools via paper catalog and his website. It's truly fascinating to meet with him every few months and just talk business, family, life, all that stuff.

He has this hypothesis that one of the primary reason for American innovative dominance is due to the ubiquity of basements in America. His theory goes that while much of the rest of the 1st world countries are very crowded in the cities, America has room such that even folks who live in the cities have basements.

Basements being where the majority of the "tinkering" is done, because you don't have to leave home to go work on your pet project. Because basements aren't as "livable" as the rest of the house, they are usually relegated to work benches, mini-offices, and the less-sightly kind of things you wouldn't want sitting out in your living room or cluttering up your closets. And they're as big as the house - so plenty of space to work with.

Because just about everyone has basements, everyone has convenient access to a private working sanctuary to attempt to live out their dreams.

So that's basically how his hypothesis goes. It's one of the more interesting thoughts I've heard, and it's fascinating to see it from the perspective of an outsider who moved here and made something of himself.

Coming from a machinist background (rather than a hacker who can work just about anywhere with a laptop), the availability of a basement for him to keep his machines is something that might seem obvious to him, and certainly lends to why he holds this as true.

Surely it's not the whole truth, but it certainly makes one think.

Re: Why does so much innovation come from America? Because it sucks.

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I have a friend who emigrated to US from China when he was in his 50s, and that was about 15 years ago. He's an entrepreneur who sells machine tools via paper catalog and his website. It's truly fascinating to meet with him every few months and just talk business, family, life, all that stuff. He has this hypothesis that one of the primary reason for American innovative dominance is due to the ubiquity of basements i…

Paul Graham seems to have a similar theory. I believe he calls it "marginal space".

http://www.paulgraham.com/marginal.html

Re: Why does so much innovation come from America? Because it sucks.

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You've got to be kidding right? Your entire argument is based on the rail system? Which is still one of the most extensive in the world?

The US has less of a need for a national passenger rail service. The low faire airlines filled that gap long ago (southwest?)...

I don't buy it.

Re: Why does so much innovation come from America? Because it sucks.

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As others have mentioned, the basic idea that angry people innovate more smacks of a first-world mentality: there are many places in the world where people are far angrier than in the US, yet most of are so far removed from being centers of innovation that people scarcely even dream of innovation coming out of them anymore.

But they do say that necessity is the mother of invention, and so perhaps it's more a matter of finding the balance point: supporting people to the point that innovation seems possible, but not doing everything for them to the point that innovation seems unnecessary.

Re: Why does so much innovation come from America? Because it sucks.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course, education, immigration and a legal framework without a high degree of fraud are also important. I don't think individualism would be a major factor.

> I don't think individualism would be a major factor. There are many countries which satisfy your former criteria yet lack this; none of them have the same innovation economy that the United States possesses.

I can concede this. I don't really know the answer. But individualism alone doesn't seem to be enough.

Their are plenty of artist and individualist in Germany which has a very large art culture. Would Germany be considered one of the more innovative countries in the world?

Re: Why does so much innovation come from America? Because it sucks.

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post #12

I have a friend who emigrated to US from China when he was in his 50s, and that was about 15 years ago. He's an entrepreneur who sells machine tools via paper catalog and his website. It's truly fascinating to meet with him every few months and just talk business, family, life, all that stuff. He has this hypothesis that one of the primary reason for American innovative dominance is due to the ubiquity of basements i…

Paul Graham seems to have a similar theory. I believe he calls it "marginal space". http://www.paulgraham.com/marginal.html

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