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Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by messe »

prmoustache wrote: post #164
crazygringo wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What is the main country where dying pubs is such a big subject? How should I know? That's the point. It might as easily be Ireland for all I know. Or maybe pubs are dying in Boston or something? > For f*ks sake I am not from UK yet it is easy to understand what it is all about from context and language. I'm happy you're so smart. Not all of us are so lucky, I guess. > Pure US arrogance. Who said anything about the…

> Who said anything about the US? I just read your account name.

If they're not American, then following their own logic they probably shouldn't be heavily implying that they are. It's misleading. They should give context in each and every comment so that we know.

Is it too much to ask for clear communication?

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by toyg »

yunohn wrote: post #51
jaccola wrote: post #46

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The government has decided that they know what’s good for you better for you than you do. So they tax alcohol at incredibly high rates. Without this more pubs could exist. So I don’t think it’s a case of subsidising as much as removing the disincentive.

I’m not familiar with the UK, but is the tax on alcohol at pubs higher than at a store? My general understanding was that people have just shopped visiting pubs for other reasons - like diluted drinks, crappy food, loud music, etc.

> is the tax on alcohol at pubs higher than at a store?

No, but the tax on food - which is where a lot of money lies, for most pubs in this day and age - is. Also, business rates end up being significantly higher per unit of alcohol sold. This means stores can keep alcohol prices very low (even under cost, as a promotional item).

Add to that that alcohol consumption rates are decreasing overall, sugar tax affecting non-alcoholic drinks, energy prices skyrocketing, etc.

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by stevefan1999 »

sefrost wrote: post #149
tialaramex wrote: post #114

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> seeing its rateable value go up 480%! Rateable value is based on what the market prices would be to rent that space. So, somebody is doing nicely apparently.

But if the landlord owns the pub (rare in the UK I know), but I believe it’s the case in this instance, then what are they getting from unrealised property price gains?

Leverages and confidence from the credit agency (be it banks or private investments), and the higher possiblity of approving the borrowing, and thus getting more shitty debts to be made, and contribute more to the total Gee-Dee-Pee which is the holy grail those economists chase after

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by turbonaut »

brightbeige wrote: post #83
sefrost wrote: post #18

Wow a fantastic independent pub near where I used to live in London is seeing its rateable value go up 480%! This website really puts the headlines in to a nice local perspective. It seems like the taxes only go up while the services get worse in the UK, although I’ve been away for 5 years now so maybe things improved.

Here’s the Lamb and Flag in Oxford https://www.ismypubfucked.com/pub/11447801200 > the Inklings, a literary group including J. R. R. Tolkien and C. S. Lewis, started meeting at The Lamb and Flag. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamb_%26_Flag,_Oxford

The Lamb and Flag has faced previous financial challenges.

It in fact closed temporarily in the pandemic due to UK law preventing their then owner / operator, St John’s College, a charity, subsidising a loss making business, despite having the wherewithal to do so.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-55763746.amp

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by [deleted] »

econ wrote: post #178
ehnto wrote: post #163

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What does anyone gain from it really, except money in the bank for a handful of individuals, outsized property prices seem to be a hurdle for functional societies in basically every way. It doesn't benefit a town if rent is so expensive that their businesses shut down.

When young I use to work in construction. (With diplomas) The wages for 18 year olds in the Netherlands at the time were such that I got 340 euro per month for 40 hour weeks. It's a truly shit salary but you could also see it as a wonderful formula to build cheap houses. As my boss billed the customers 28 euro per hour for my work and those houses cost roughly 35000 to buy(!) and it took roughly 80 hours of work each…

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Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by lotsofpulp »

sefrost wrote: post #149
tialaramex wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> seeing its rateable value go up 480%! Rateable value is based on what the market prices would be to rent that space. So, somebody is doing nicely apparently.

But if the landlord owns the pub (rare in the UK I know), but I believe it’s the case in this instance, then what are they getting from unrealised property price gains?

Nothing, but if market value of the land is going up, then that means the price for government services is going up (e.g. government employees need to be paid more, land acquisition or rent costs more, materials cost more, etc). Hence taxes collected have to go up.

This could all simply be due to a devaluation of the currency, rather than due to increased desirability or productivity.

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

It shows three pubs very near me. Two of those actually closed several years ago.

The third is listed under an old name, it changed hands and changed names years ago.

it is rated: "The (FPI) score of 22 means this pub is classified as “Feeling It”"

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by keybored »

crazygringo wrote: post #150
prmoustache wrote: post #146

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> You can assume that .com is American unless otherwise Why?

Because the internet was invented in America so it's the only country where a country suffix was never used from the start of its popularity. I'm not saying this is good or bad or justified or not, just saying what the conventions are.

> Because the internet was invented in America so it's the only country where a country suffix was never used from the start of its popularity.

I expect some countries like the UK and Australia to use something like `co.uk`. I expect many countries to use their own top-level domain. I do not assume that some `.com` website is American.

Is “the only” based on experience? How many websites from how many countries have you come across?

> I'm not saying this is good or bad or justified or not, just saying what the conventions are.

Do people associate `.com` with “company”? Or just “regular website”? Are people even stopped from making a `.com` if they don’t have a “company”?

https://www.paiste.com/

Is this Swiss business allowed to use `.com` because they have offices in the US of A?

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by LAC-Tech »

LightBug1 wrote: post #124
moop_moop wrote: post #61

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The services have certainly not got better in the last 5 years. This Government is fiscally illiterate and has hit the top of the Laffer curve and is now trying to go down the other side.

"This" ...? You jest.

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Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by Aromasin »

jimnotgym wrote: post #207

One striking feature in the UK is the number of pubs that 'went on fire'. The business is no longer viable, planning constraints (and often listed building constraints, which is protection for historical buildings, many pubs are very old) won't let them do anything else with the building so they sit empty until they spontaneously combust. Soon after they get demolished and regrow as a supermarket or apartments.

Worth noting the circle of "pubs that light on fire" and "flat roofed 1970s slum pub" almost entirely overlap. Nobodies setting fire to their thatched-roof pub from 1650 because of pub rates. They just change hands through the breweries every 3-4 years now.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat-roofed_pub

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