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My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for have worsened his life.

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Re: My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for have worsened his life.

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Things like this are easy to say: > If I were a legislator today, I’d mandate — and provide funding to ensure — that every teacher receive training in recognizing symptoms of mental illnesses. but teachers aren't psychiatrists or clinical psychologists and can't really be expected to be. I was recently watching a program talking about the somewhat controversial theory that schizophrenia (and other mental disorders) a…

It is not that hard to recognize symptoms of mental illness. You certainly don't need to be a psychiatrist or a clinical psychologist. You don't even need to be a LCSW or a LPC.

It would be, at most, a single course in an undergraduate or a graduate program. It could probably be rolled in to existing curricula just as a chapter or an exam as a component of a related class.

We're not talking about diagnosis, just recognition of symptoms to the point where a referral can be made.

Re: My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for have worsened his life.

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Thanks, interesting... though the opening line does seem to suggest marijuana use remains especially linked with schizophrenia -- in prevalence at least: Alcohol use disorder, which is three times more common in patients with schizophrenia than in the general population, and cannabis use disorder, which is up to 10 times more common, both contribute to the morbidity of schizophrenia, through increased relapse, noncom…

As far as I've read, and I read whatever I can, there's still no evidence one way or another about which causes which. Does cannabis have a causitive or trigger effect on schizophrenia? Or are schizophrenics more likely to live on the fringes of society and encounter (and like) cannabis?

Just one person's anecdote, but I am close with a person who is schizophrenic. Marijuana use significantly contributed to episode occurrence. After their psychologist told them that it can make things worse, they stopped, and it improved their situation considerably.

I think it's related to the whole paranoia side of things.

Re: My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for have worsened his life.

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It's really sad that this isn't a priority in the United States. Somehow we have so little money for the government to pay for anything, that any possible solutions are either underfunded or written off completely. Overloaded case workers, run-down facilities, lack of facilities, lack of integrated programs, are just a few of the consequences. It's an odd sort of poverty where all sorts of gadgets and innovations are…

How much money would save this man? You going to build him a golden prison to live in. Schizophrenics hate being medicated. They are miserable. So they go off their medication and run away. It's not a question of money. Please stop the "we are so horrible because we don't spend enough money." That's the lazy minded answer to an extremely complex issue.

They are human beings though, so if they chose not to accept help or medication you can't force it on them. You lose a lot more taking away individual freedoms over what you deem abnormal or mentally ill than you do from the suffering making potentially poor life choices.

Re: My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for have worsened his life.

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Nobody brought this up (what?) but how is this relevant to.. hacker news? I get that someone on here might be schizophrenic, but is this really on topic with startups, software, etc? If I want to get sad over incurable mental illness I'll go read r/politics or atheism (oioioi).

Re: My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for have worsened his life.

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This is a tough story of a state legislator who became an adoptive father finding out that policies that he thought were humane reforms didn't end up helping people in this generation like his adoptive son. Some of my perspective on these issues comes from knowing Irving Gottesman, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Gottesman who was credited as the main adviser on schizophrenia relied on by the author of the book A…

There are useful diagnostic criteria and well-understood risk factors for all sorts of mental illnesses. Schizophrenia is a particularly vexing case, but that does not mean that one cannot recognize that someone is at-risk for or already dealing with a mental health problem.

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Anti-psychotic medication isn't like taking Tylenol. It can completely change a person's personality, and people have likened it to living in a fog.

What is your point? Schizophrenia already horribly changed the patients personality, medication just helps them deal with the symptoms. Before we had these drugs, schizophrenic patients were basically tortured (e.g. Lobotomy) because there was no way to help them.

Wasn't MDMA (ecstasy) once considered for schizophrenic patients? It was supposed to not affect the patient as much. I never head the results.

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A mental illness is a mental abnormality that significantly impacts on your quality of life or the lives of those around you. That's the definition.

Well yes, my point is that you can draw the line in any number of places. Even if we were to agree upon your definition — and there are many different, conflicting definitions of 'mental illness' — what constitutes a significant impact on quality of life? At some point you have to draw an arbitrary line, and even then it's frequently a guessing game working out on which side of the line someone actually lies.

My definition is from the DSM and while it is true that there's always edge cases, in practice the gray area is pretty small. Especially when we're talking about serious things like schizophrenia.

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As someone who was diagnosed with Schizophrenia, had several bouts of psychosis, and settled into BiPolar disorder without the psychosis, I can speak on this subject a bit. As a kid I exhibited the typical, thinking fast and trying to talk just as fast. My first major manic episode I recall was while studying for a midterm, where instead I had inspiration and handwrote a 8 page business plan. After my my first psychotic break, a year later I spent all night down the rabbit hole of importing raincoats from China. I showed no Schizophrenic symptoms until a major psychotic break that triggered my underlying proclivity towards Schizophrenia, partially by roadtripping to a new place and excessively smoking marijuana. I ended up in an out-of-state hospital for several days before transferring to a local one. My family thankfully had insurance, but the profit-driven company battled with us to deny paying for that expensive out-of-state care and treatment, thankfully they paid. I couldn't get non-group insurance until insurance companies could not as easily deny you coverage for pre-existing conditions.

Before that event I had genuinely enjoying smoking for nearly 2 years in college with no paranoia. Uncharacteristically, I got into minor legal trouble thanks to a dumb, drunken night. The day my probation ended I lit it up again, leading to a mild psychotic episode with friends who were freaked out. That was the end of marijuana for me. Never tempted to touch it again as I know that is seriously playing with fire given my tendencies. I've had one other paranoia-fueled episode where I went off my medications because I didn't like the side effects. I somehow got tangled with a local urban gang, after they broke into my house and stole my roommate's golf clubs and spotted my expensive studio equipment only to stake the place out for another burglary. I avoided hospitalization with the help of close family this time.

The biggest thing for people with BiPolar or Schizophrenics is to stay on their medication. It's a very tragic feedback loop, you feel good or normal so you go off your meds. Then you are OK for a while, then you are nearing a nervous breakdown, manic episodes (which are really fun for most people), paranoia, or deep depressive episode (which is why so very many BiPolar people commit suicide). Every time I went off my medication, a break down was near, and you had to basically hit the "reset button" on your life again. Start a new job, new location, try again. This time, you pledge to stay on your medication, your family reminds you as well. Things can stabilize when you get on the right medication with the lowest effective dosage, get regular sleep and exercise. I am stable now, with the help of family, friends, low dosage medication, and exercise. (In that order)

Re: My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for have worsened his life.

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Things like this are easy to say: > If I were a legislator today, I’d mandate — and provide funding to ensure — that every teacher receive training in recognizing symptoms of mental illnesses. but teachers aren't psychiatrists or clinical psychologists and can't really be expected to be. I was recently watching a program talking about the somewhat controversial theory that schizophrenia (and other mental disorders) a…

It is not that hard to recognize symptoms of mental illness. You certainly don't need to be a psychiatrist or a clinical psychologist. You don't even need to be a LCSW or a LPC. It would be, at most, a single course in an undergraduate or a graduate program. It could probably be rolled in to existing curricula just as a chapter or an exam as a component of a related class. We're not talking about diagnosis, just reco…

An interesting study highlighting some of the problems with diagnosis of schizophrenia was the Rosenhan experiment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment) essentially it showed that doctors working in mental hospitals were unable to reliably tell the difference between those with schizophrenia, and those without it who reported a single hallucination. Albeit, the study is now close to 40 years old, and the diagnosis techniques have been improved, with for example, further editions of the DSM, major problems still exist.

In my Master's thesis I created an algorithm to diagnose schizophrenia from EEG recordings. It's obviously very preliminary research, but it would be amazing to see computers revolutionizing the way that we do neurological diagnoses.

My thesis is here for those interested: http://www.adriangreen.ca/Green_Adrian_CA_201211_MASc_thesis..., and hopefully soon to be condensed and published as a paper.

Re: My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for have worsened his life.

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"Are you saying in other countries the family/extended family generally care for the individual?" Schizophrenia is basically triggered & exacerbated by stress. If one becomes schizophrenic then it's possible to mostly recover from psychosis in low stress environments, but in higher stress environments it basically becomes permanent. I think that Ethan Watters discusses why it is that people in poor countries do bette…

The stress trigger remains an unproved theory - there are other many potential explains (vitamin D, parasites, sociological baed on family dysfunctions...) but so far there is not a good fit.

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